# Climbing trees to escape danger without using Z-levels

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [September 1, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446 "2015-09-01T01:32:15Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 16\
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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/21 "2015-09-02T16:30:51Z")

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Expect 4D trees within he century. :V

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/22 "2015-09-03T15:41:09Z")

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> \[dwarfishness intensifies\]

Flowing magma and water is too much of a pain in the ass to implement, and this is a survival game, not a fortress-building game. Bone crossbows don't really make any sense.

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**Author:** ![CosmicKobal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@CosmicKobal](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/CosmicKobal)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/23 "2015-09-03T19:23:41Z")

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[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:22, topic:10446”]

> [dwarfishness intensifies]

  
Flowing magma and water is too much of a pain in the ass to implement, and this is a survival game, not a fortress-building game.  
Bone crossbows don’t really make any sense.[/quote]

Bone ‘crossbows’ dont, but ‘bone crossbow bolts’ are totally logical

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/24 "2015-09-03T22:08:05Z")

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> [@Kevin Granade](#):
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> Bone crossbows don’t really make any sense.

Better than adamantine warhammers at least. But yeah, I meant the bolts, not the crossbow itself.

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**Author:** ![Catfoodbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee59a6/32.png) [@Catfoodbob](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Catfoodbob)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/25 "2015-09-03T23:13:37Z")

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> [@Random\_dragon](#):
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> [quote=“Kevin Granade, post:22, topic:10446”]Bone crossbows don’t really make any sense.

Better than adamantine warhammers at least. But yeah, I meant the bolts, not the crossbow itself.[/quote]

adamantine warhammers are niegh usless because its the equivlent of whacking something in the head with a feather

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:18pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/26 "2015-09-03T23:18:24Z")

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A warhammer decorated with roc feathers, however, is a thing of beauty.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 3:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/27 "2015-09-04T03:23:10Z")

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AFAICT making arrows out of bone is similarly nonsensical, I can’t find any references to making arrows out of bone. If someone can point me to a (non-game) reference indicating otherwise, I’d be happy to reverse my position on the matter 🙂

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 4:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/28 "2015-09-04T04:22:11Z")

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Dang. Bone sewing awls, fishing hooks, etc. But projectile points…lemme see.

It’d still be more logical than carved plastic arrows. :V

EDIT: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone\_tool](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_tool)

Can be good to take wikipedia articles with a grain of salt, but a good starting point.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/29 "2015-09-05T00:39:45Z")

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Points are totally reasonable, it’s the shafts I’m sceptical of. If it’s bone-tipped arrows yea it’s fine.

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/30 "2015-09-05T01:10:48Z")

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We’d likely need rather specific bones to make shafts, yeah. As for bone tips, already got that in the recipe for field point arrows.

Bone-tipped crossbow bolts would make my day though.

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**Author:** ![i2amroy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/i2amroy/32/909_2.png) [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/31 "2015-09-05T20:23:39Z")

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Yeah, bone tends to splinter when you try to make long lengths of it, making it fairly useless for shafts. On the other hand bone-tipped arrows are totally viable, and were actually used by Native Americans in some places around the US that didn’t have ready access to appropriate stone types for stone arrowheads.

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/32 "2015-09-05T20:35:31Z")

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So in that case…bone-tipped crossbow bolts? \<3

And to get back on topic, when 3D trees become a thing, we should add treehouses.

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**Author:** ![stk2008](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@stk2008](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/stk2008)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/33 "2015-09-05T20:46:53Z")

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Tree houses tree hides would be bloody epic.

I’m almost scared to ask this because I know how hard coolthulhu has worked but how far off are we from full z levels? 🙂

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/34 "2015-09-05T21:26:57Z")

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From what I’ve seen, Coolthulhu’s latest big project has been enhancing, altering, and overall unfucking NPC AI and their interactions with players: [https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/13486](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/13486)

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**Author:** ![stk2008](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@stk2008](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/stk2008)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/35 "2015-09-05T21:30:25Z")

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Yeah I see this the other day :).

Well excited with cdda now and what is oming in the future 🙂

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/climbing-trees-to-escape-danger-without-using-z-levels/10446/36 "2015-09-05T21:45:38Z")

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Also got Kevin’s OK to PR another mod thing which I’ll do later on, need to decide how best to divide it up…

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