# Clayton's Firearm Project (Dead)

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394>\
**Category:** The Lab\
**Created:** [July 24, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394 "2013-07-24T19:35:23Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![ClaytonRISING](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/claytonrising/32/75_2.png) [@ClaytonRISING](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ClaytonRISING)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/1 "2013-07-24T19:35:23Z")

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Sorry for anyone who was interested, but I am discontinuing work on this. A lot of people were complaining about “too many weapons” being in the game, and I didn’t want to make this a mod for a multitude of design reasons, so I am abandoning this project.

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**Author:** ![vultures](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vultures/32/69_2.png) [@vultures](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vultures)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/2 "2013-07-24T20:23:18Z")

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Are you going to be adding fictional, futuristic weapons that feature high electric charges and plasma?

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**Author:** ![ClaytonRISING](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/claytonrising/32/75_2.png) [@ClaytonRISING](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ClaytonRISING)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/3 "2013-07-24T20:38:11Z")

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> [@vultures](#):
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> Are you going to be adding fictional, futuristic weapons that feature high electric charges and plasma?

I wouldn’t be apposed to them, but I personally have no creativity when it comes to that haha. I’m hoping to come across someone who has a bigger imagination for futuristic weapons than I.

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**Author:** ![Rivet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rivet/32/11_2.png) [@Rivet](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rivet)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/4 "2013-07-25T00:05:00Z")

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I’m going to throw a few near-future and energy type firearms into the GIT submissions. We need some more sci-fi options for laboratory/military treasure.

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**Author:** ![youtoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/779978/32.png) [@youtoo](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/youtoo)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/5 "2013-07-25T00:10:54Z")

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i know this wont be totally realistic, but can we have guns use the existing ammo types? if we keep adding massive numbers of guns, we will end up spawning less of a specific type of ammo and it will be difficult to get ammo for them. its also becoming more of a hassle to manage ammo to guns.

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**Author:** ![Rivet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rivet/32/11_2.png) [@Rivet](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rivet)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/6 "2013-07-25T00:17:37Z")

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That’s my general plan.

I’m only implementing a single new ammo type, and that’s mainly for learning purposes. Most everything I design should use extant ammunition.

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**Author:** ![ClaytonRISING](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/claytonrising/32/75_2.png) [@ClaytonRISING](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ClaytonRISING)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/7 "2013-07-25T00:28:14Z")

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> [@youtoo](#):
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> i know this wont be totally realistic, but can we have guns use the existing ammo types? if we keep adding massive numbers of guns, we will end up spawning less of a specific type of ammo and it will be difficult to get ammo for them. its also becoming more of a hassle to manage ammo to guns.

Actually, most weapons that I’ve been toying around with use the same ammo type (5.56x45 NATO rounds).

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**Author:** ![vultures](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vultures/32/69_2.png) [@vultures](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vultures)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/8 "2013-07-25T01:23:32Z")

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Yup. We need Tesla Coils somewhere alright.  
(I just had a fantastic, terrifying, an abomination of an idea for a scenario to be played through our game. Wonder where I could submit it with out letting everybody know about it, just like in the Lore section?)

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**Author:** ![Otaku](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/otaku/32/27_2.png) [@Otaku](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Otaku)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:02am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/9 "2013-07-25T11:02:36Z")

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Judging by how you are going with rifles, and the ones you have already written down are all assult rifles, I might be willing to help. I was thinking that I could either cover sniper rifles or pistols. Preferably sniper rifles but pistols are OK if you plan to cover all rifles. Your records so far are a bit inconsistent, but that is probably since you have not finished yet. You can either PM me the format or just post it on this thread, I will see it.

Also, what do you think about references, such as an anti-material rifle (fallout) or a Walther PPK that is referencing Bond in the description?

So as I see it there are basically 4 arch types when it comes to guns right? Pistols, (sub)machine guns, shotguns and rifles. Any arguements against/modifications to this list?

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**Author:** ![ClaytonRISING](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/claytonrising/32/75_2.png) [@ClaytonRISING](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ClaytonRISING)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/10 "2013-07-25T16:55:00Z")

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[quote=“Otaku, post:9, topic:2394”]Judging by how you are going with rifles, and the ones you have already written down are all assult rifles, I might be willing to help. I was thinking that I could either cover sniper rifles or pistols. Preferably sniper rifles but pistols are OK if you plan to cover all rifles. Your records so far are a bit inconsistent, but that is probably since you have not finished yet. You can either PM me the format or just post it on this thread, I will see it.

Also, what do you think about references, such as an anti-material rifle (fallout) or a Walther PPK that is referencing Bond in the description?

So as I see it there are basically 4 arch types when it comes to guns right? Pistols, (sub)machine guns, shotguns and rifles. Any arguements against/modifications to this list?[/quote]

The arch types are:

Rifles  
Submachine Guns  
Shotguns  
Heavy Machine Guns  
Pistols  
Sniper Rifles  
Launchers

You can add modifications, I’ll update the thread today with all the formats. And yeah, my recording of the rifles sometimes skip some information. Sorry about that. But some of the stuff doesn’t really make a difference, like “Barrel Length” haha.

But if you want to help, choose a category and I’ll put your name by it on the main post.

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**Author:** ![ClaytonRISING](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/claytonrising/32/75_2.png) [@ClaytonRISING](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ClaytonRISING)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/11 "2013-07-25T17:02:19Z")

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Oh, and about cross references: Go for it, as long as they don’t share the same name and fit into DDA lore/canon.

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**Author:** ![Rivet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rivet/32/11_2.png) [@Rivet](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rivet)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 10:56pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/12 "2013-07-25T22:56:18Z")

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[Just posted new guns and stuff!](http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=2528.0)  
[GIT!](https://github.com/Rivet-the-Zombie/Cataclysm-DDA/tree/Future-Weapons)

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**Author:** ![Otaku](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/otaku/32/27_2.png) [@Otaku](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Otaku)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/13 "2013-07-26T04:35:46Z")

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This could either make our searching lives easier.

[Sniper Rifles](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sniper_rifles)  
[Pistols](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pistols)  
[Submachine Guns](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submachine_guns)

There are more lists like these hyperlinked at the bottom of the links I provided.

Also, Clayton, how many would you like from sniper rifles. I am all for realism so how about I do all of them? (1 variation from each, so like M40A5 but not M40A3 or M40A1)

EDIT: Anybody know about legal jargon? I am thinking of adding several sniper rifles, but most of their names are derived from the company names (Walther PPK, or Accuracy International AW50, among others). Does anybody know if we can /legally/ place this names into cataclysm? I dont want the devs to get into trouble by using a name they should not have.

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**Author:** ![ClaytonRISING](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/claytonrising/32/75_2.png) [@ClaytonRISING](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ClaytonRISING)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/14 "2013-07-26T16:40:06Z")

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[quote=“Otaku, post:13, topic:2394”]This could either make our searching lives easier.

[Sniper Rifles](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sniper_rifles)  
[Pistols](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pistols)  
[Submachine Guns](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submachine_guns)

There are more lists like these hyperlinked at the bottom of the links I provided.

Also, Clayton, how many would you like from sniper rifles. I am all for realism so how about I do all of them? (1 variation from each, so like M40A5 but not M40A3 or M40A1)

EDIT: Anybody know about legal jargon? I am thinking of adding several sniper rifles, but most of their names are derived from the company names (Walther PPK, or Accuracy International AW50, among others). Does anybody know if we can /legally/ place this names into cataclysm? I dont want the devs to get into trouble by using a name they should not have.[/quote]

Eh, I’m trying to stay away from variations of the same weapon platform. But as many different sniper rifles as you feel would fit into the lore.

And yes I am certain we can use their names because there isn’t any monetary gain, but I could be completely wrong.

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**Author:** ![Otaku](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/otaku/32/27_2.png) [@Otaku](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Otaku)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/15 "2013-07-26T16:55:37Z")

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My judgment on “fit into the lore” basically means all of the Wikipedia entries. So I will just create a super list for you, then you can narrow it down. OK?

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**Author:** ![fishy1234555](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/fishy1234555/32/50_2.png) [@fishy1234555](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/fishy1234555)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 8:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/16 "2013-07-28T08:46:09Z")

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Tesla cannon i made. works best with lightning ammo but will take fusion. Make sure to add it to the item\_groups as well.

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[Document.rtf](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/1X/5a6cb6aaf74b515c2ca7f2a555f1a94ed8edab6c.rtf) (912 Bytes)

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**Author:** ![fishy1234555](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/fishy1234555/32/50_2.png) [@fishy1234555](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/fishy1234555)\
**Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 8:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/17 "2013-07-28T08:49:05Z")

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also got the shiskebab

{  
“id”: “shishkebab”,  
“type”: “TOOL”,  
“symbol”: “(”,  
“color”: “red”,  
“name”: “shishkebab”,  
“description”: “A heafty katana that spews flames from the blade.”,  
“rarity”: 15,  
“price”: 0,  
“material”: “steel”,  
“techniques”: [“FLAMING”, “SWEEP”, “BRUTAL”, “RAPID”],  
“flags”: [“FIRE”, “SLICE”],  
“weight”: 8,  
“volume”: 7,  
“bashing”: 12,  
“cutting”: 100,  
“to\_hit”: 3,  
“max\_charges”: 75,  
“initial\_charges”: 75,  
“charges\_per\_use”: 1,  
“turns\_per\_charge”: 20,  
“ammo”: “gasoline”,  
“revert\_to”: “null”,  
“use\_action”: “LIGHTER”  
},  
light the bodies after you quickly disbatch them!!

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**Author:** ![Minty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@Minty](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Minty)\
**Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/18 "2013-07-29T00:08:26Z")

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I think I’ll just leave this here…

[http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm](http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm)

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**Author:** ![Slax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/slax/32/5385_2.png) [@Slax](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Slax)\
**Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 9:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/19 "2013-07-29T09:23:28Z")

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Military stuff can go sniff a butt. Awesome civilian arsenal, ho!  
Mostly so you get a big smile on your face whenever you run into something more advanced.

PS90 - SMG/Rifle  
Caliber: 5.7x28mm  
Firemode(s): Semi  
Length: 666mm (407mm barrel)  
Weight: Probably a wee bit heavier than the regular P90  
Magazine Capacity: 30 (easy modification allows for 50)

Kel Tec PMR-30 - Handgun  
Caliber: .22WMR (because .22LR wants a big brother)  
Firemode(s): Semi  
Length: 200mm (109mm barrel)  
Weight: 385g unloaded  
Magazine Capacity: 30

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**Author:** ![Morrigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Morrigi](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Morrigi)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/claytons-firearm-project-dead/2394/20 "2013-07-30T01:05:00Z")

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What about a Mosin-Nagant, complete with standard-issue bayonet? It’d need it’s own ammo, but come on! It’s a Mosin-Nagant!

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