Chemicals

[Nopkar]

if we’re going that route I want Styrofoam!!!

styrofoam+gas= homemade napalm.

HM napalm + glass bottle + rags = Napalm bombs!!! (burns 2-3 times longer than regular molotovs?)

styrofoam + pipe bombs = chemical grenades! (toxic cloud?)

[system]

I wouldn’t mind having all the chemicals of the periodic table and 'a’ctivate a beaker to combine chemicals. Just add some basic recipes and bam.

Napalm and thermite and shit. Also Supro-dextrose-nitro-hydro-borumabindexoum

[Sheb]

I could help a modder if you want chemicals.

[grisamentum]

I wouldn’t mind having all the chemicals of the periodic table and 'a’ctivate a beaker to combine chemicals. Just add some basic recipes and bam.

I think this is the kind of comprehensiveness I had in mind. Naturally it wouldn’t be as simple as listing every element and putting them in beakers, which seems a little wacky, and the fact that there are SO MANY combination of chemicals we can’t just go from there. I mean, hydrocarbons. It’s all C + H, but it’s the various amounts that matter a lot.

Plus there’s the question of how much interaction the player should need. Like, what, you just get a stack of carbon and 4 stacks of hydrogen and you press a button to make methane? It seems too simple. And there are just too many chemicals in the world to list all of those.

Maybe we should start from listing things we want as player abilities/recipes and work backwards to determine what steps, ingredients, and tools are necessary.

Also apologies, I just realized this thread should probably be in drawing board, not the lab.

[AseaHeru]

thermite might be fun… although to get it it might require some electrical skill for the iron oxide…

but with it… well… cutting things. with some mechanical skill perhaps some bombs?

[wad67]

Isn’t iron oxide just rust?

[TheRealTenman]

Yes but the amount needed to make thermite is quite a lot.

Also Rust based thermite is boring, choose magnesium+aluminium. Because if it doesn’t explode then why the hell do you want it?

[quote=“Nopkar, post:4, topic:1226”]if we’re going that route I want Styrofoam!!!

styrofoam+gas= homemade napalm.[/quote]

Ooooh I forgot about stuff… One of my friends hurt himself years ago badly enough that he is still in hospital.

Don’t get that shit on your skin, it can get hungry.

[i2amroy]

[quote=“TheRealTenman, post:10, topic:1226”]Yes but the amount needed to make thermite is quite a lot.

Also Rust based thermite is boring, choose magnesium+aluminium. Because if it doesn’t explode then why the hell do you want it?[/quote]
In that case you could get the MnO[sub]2[/sub] that you needed from batteries since it’s a main components in lots of dry cell batteries. Though in that case I think something would be needed to stop you from magically transforming ammonia or lemons into magnesium oxide.

[drake1storm]

[quote=“i2amroy, post:11, topic:1226”][quote=“TheRealTenman, post:10, topic:1226”]Yes but the amount needed to make thermite is quite a lot.

Also Rust based thermite is boring, choose magnesium+aluminium. Because if it doesn’t explode then why the hell do you want it?[/quote]
In that case you could get the MnO[sub]2[/sub] that you needed from batteries since it’s a main components in lots of dry cell batteries. Though in that case I think something would be needed to stop you from magically transforming ammonia or lemons into magnesium oxide.[/quote]

Just create a “home-made battery” object and plug that in to work like batteries, but work in different recipes.

[TheRealTenman]

How would homemade batteries do any thing?
Think about it, Tin can, lemon, ammonia, whatever
How the hell can this power ANYTHING!

But I can see it now…

Batteries (2)
Homemade Batteries (3400)
Thermite powder (10)
Canister of Homemade Napalm (300)
-Weapons-
Thermite grenade (2)
Thermite pipebomb (5)
Thermite incendiary device
Napalm thrower

[GunnerX]

There is hydrogen and bleach in the game…

How about some hydrochloric acid? Or we could use Cl from salt and get a pure sodium by product (wouldn’t that be fun!). There is also Iodine tablets so hydroiodic acid could be a possibility as well. Then again I don’t know enough about the reactions to say if they are feasible with the tech available. Perhaps a look at alchemy reactions would be more appropriate to the tech level.

[drake1storm]

[quote=“TheRealTenman, post:13, topic:1226”]How would homemade batteries do any thing?
Think about it, Tin can, lemon, ammonia, whatever
How the hell can this power ANYTHING!

But I can see it now…

Batteries (2)
Homemade Batteries (3400)
Thermite powder (10)
Canister of Homemade Napalm (300)
-Weapons-
Thermite grenade (2)
Thermite pipebomb (5)
Thermite incendiary device
Napalm thrower[/quote]

You can actually make a lower powered battery from fruit juices.

Are you telling me you never made an orange battery?

[Moon_Dew]

I don’t think this really fits here but I couldn’t help but think about it:

Lemon juice + Raw fish = Ceviche

Sorry if it’s off-topic.

[TheRealTenman]

[quote=“drake1storm, post:15, topic:1226”]You can actually make a lower powered battery from fruit juices.

Are you telling me you never made an orange battery?[/quote]

I am simply wondering how you could plug an orange or potato battery into a TAZER, fusion gun, flashlight or welder.
So far it is this:

If you make homemade batteries separate then how far should you go?
Include volts and amps?
Include an expiration date?
Include rust generation on the can?
Or have an insanely complex charging system.

I vote charging system for realism but that would be a pain to code I assume.

[i2amroy]

Personally I would make it so that homemade batteries were useful for all tasks that involved recharging another battery (filling up a storage battery or internal battery, for example) but would disable them from most tasks that use batteries as ammo (such as in a welder, taser, or laser gun).

And I love your lemon taser picture.

[vultures]

It’s really not that hard to turn heat into chem power. It’s that over here, plot doesn’t get you anywhere. Do you really need 40k+ of batteries and a .22 just to do your own bidding?

[Pthalocy]

Acid rain is typically a mix of water and sulfuric acid, yes? I am not in a position to verify if acid rain can be collected in the same manner as rainwater, but that’s an easy source of another chemical. I assume it has the potency necessary to be somewhat useful, given it is capable of causing pain even without any concentrating or whathaveyou.

[TaintedHolyWater]

I like the acid rain idea. Maybe boil off some of the water (requiring a gas mask for health reasons) and pour it into a glass bottle for a new acid bomb recipe?

[TheRealTenman]

…a new acid bomb recipe?

Maybe a new way to fill the same recipe?

[GunnerX]

Acid rain is typically a mix of water and sulfuric acid, yes? I am not in a position to verify if acid rain can be collected in the same manner as rainwater, but that’s an easy source of another chemical. I assume it has the potency necessary to be somewhat useful, given it is capable of causing pain even without any concentrating or whathaveyou.

Sulphuric yes, and to a lesser extent nitric acid (from atmospheric NOx emissions).

Those two acids are the core building blocks of nitroglycerin, and thereby most other explosives as well as being powerful acids.

I can already see myself wishing for more acid rain.