Chemicals

wad67 · 2013-05-17T10:08:34.000Z

Isn’t iron oxide just rust?

TheRealTenman · 2013-05-17T11:47:19.000Z

Yes but the amount needed to make thermite is quite a lot.

Also Rust based thermite is boring, choose magnesium+aluminium. Because if it doesn’t explode then why the hell do you want it?

[quote=“Nopkar, post:4, topic:1226”]if we’re going that route I want Styrofoam!!!

styrofoam+gas= homemade napalm.[/quote]

Ooooh I forgot about stuff… One of my friends hurt himself years ago badly enough that he is still in hospital.

Don’t get that shit on your skin, it can get hungry.

i2amroy · 2013-05-17T20:09:31.000Z

[quote=“TheRealTenman, post:10, topic:1226”]Yes but the amount needed to make thermite is quite a lot.

Also Rust based thermite is boring, choose magnesium+aluminium. Because if it doesn’t explode then why the hell do you want it?[/quote]
In that case you could get the MnO[sub]2[/sub] that you needed from batteries since it’s a main components in lots of dry cell batteries. Though in that case I think something would be needed to stop you from magically transforming ammonia or lemons into magnesium oxide.

drake1storm · 2013-05-17T21:04:24.000Z

[quote=“i2amroy, post:11, topic:1226”][quote=“TheRealTenman, post:10, topic:1226”]Yes but the amount needed to make thermite is quite a lot.

Also Rust based thermite is boring, choose magnesium+aluminium. Because if it doesn’t explode then why the hell do you want it?[/quote]
In that case you could get the MnO[sub]2[/sub] that you needed from batteries since it’s a main components in lots of dry cell batteries. Though in that case I think something would be needed to stop you from magically transforming ammonia or lemons into magnesium oxide.[/quote]

Just create a “home-made battery” object and plug that in to work like batteries, but work in different recipes.

TheRealTenman · 2013-05-18T04:08:56.000Z

How would homemade batteries do any thing?
Think about it, Tin can, lemon, ammonia, whatever
How the hell can this power ANYTHING!

But I can see it now…

Batteries (2)
Homemade Batteries (3400)
Thermite powder (10)
Canister of Homemade Napalm (300)
-Weapons-
Thermite grenade (2)
Thermite pipebomb (5)
Thermite incendiary device
Napalm thrower

GunnerX · 2013-05-18T04:25:49.000Z

There is hydrogen and bleach in the game…

How about some hydrochloric acid? Or we could use Cl from salt and get a pure sodium by product (wouldn’t that be fun!). There is also Iodine tablets so hydroiodic acid could be a possibility as well. Then again I don’t know enough about the reactions to say if they are feasible with the tech available. Perhaps a look at alchemy reactions would be more appropriate to the tech level.

drake1storm · 2013-05-18T12:40:49.000Z

[quote=“TheRealTenman, post:13, topic:1226”]How would homemade batteries do any thing?
Think about it, Tin can, lemon, ammonia, whatever
How the hell can this power ANYTHING!

But I can see it now…

Batteries (2)
Homemade Batteries (3400)
Thermite powder (10)
Canister of Homemade Napalm (300)
-Weapons-
Thermite grenade (2)
Thermite pipebomb (5)
Thermite incendiary device
Napalm thrower[/quote]

You can actually make a lower powered battery from fruit juices.

Are you telling me you never made an orange battery?

Moon_Dew · 2013-05-18T13:27:20.000Z

I don’t think this really fits here but I couldn’t help but think about it:

Lemon juice + Raw fish = Ceviche

Sorry if it’s off-topic.

TheRealTenman · 2013-05-19T03:24:36.000Z

[quote=“drake1storm, post:15, topic:1226”]You can actually make a lower powered battery from fruit juices.

Are you telling me you never made an orange battery?[/quote]

I am simply wondering how you could plug an orange or potato battery into a TAZER, fusion gun, flashlight or welder.
So far it is this:

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If you make homemade batteries separate then how far should you go?
Include volts and amps?
Include an expiration date?
Include rust generation on the can?
Or have an insanely complex charging system.

I vote charging system for realism but that would be a pain to code I assume.

i2amroy · 2013-05-19T03:29:38.000Z

Personally I would make it so that homemade batteries were useful for all tasks that involved recharging another battery (filling up a storage battery or internal battery, for example) but would disable them from most tasks that use batteries as ammo (such as in a welder, taser, or laser gun).

And I love your lemon taser picture.

vultures · 2013-05-19T03:43:22.000Z

It’s really not that hard to turn heat into chem power. It’s that over here, plot doesn’t get you anywhere. Do you really need 40k+ of batteries and a .22 just to do your own bidding?

Pthalocy · 2013-05-19T06:36:42.000Z

Acid rain is typically a mix of water and sulfuric acid, yes? I am not in a position to verify if acid rain can be collected in the same manner as rainwater, but that’s an easy source of another chemical. I assume it has the potency necessary to be somewhat useful, given it is capable of causing pain even without any concentrating or whathaveyou.

TaintedHolyWater · 2013-05-20T07:07:31.000Z

I like the acid rain idea. Maybe boil off some of the water (requiring a gas mask for health reasons) and pour it into a glass bottle for a new acid bomb recipe?

TheRealTenman · 2013-05-20T09:56:10.000Z

TaintedHolyWater:

…a new acid bomb recipe?

Maybe a new way to fill the same recipe?

GunnerX · 2013-05-20T13:17:14.000Z

Pthalocy:

Acid rain is typically a mix of water and sulfuric acid, yes? I am not in a position to verify if acid rain can be collected in the same manner as rainwater, but that’s an easy source of another chemical. I assume it has the potency necessary to be somewhat useful, given it is capable of causing pain even without any concentrating or whathaveyou.

Sulphuric yes, and to a lesser extent nitric acid (from atmospheric NOx emissions).

Those two acids are the core building blocks of nitroglycerin, and thereby most other explosives as well as being powerful acids.

I can already see myself wishing for more acid rain.

Pthalocy · 2013-05-21T02:37:11.000Z

Oh that’s PERFECT. Would separating the two acids be necessary, and how would one address this without getting into complex chemistry knowledge?

Additionally, given what I imagine boiling acid can do, perhaps safety glasses and rubber gloves should likewise be in order.

Sheb · 2013-05-21T14:31:54.000Z

Distilling them would work.

Also, I would not require gloves and glasses. Just produce acid gases clouds during the reactions. The players wu-ill learn to protect themselves.

kilozombie · 2013-05-21T15:18:05.000Z

This is the best ever.

Give the ability to harvest acid from funnels (who cares if it’s dangerous?) and we can make miracles happen.

You throw the plastic bottle of nitroglycerin [2]! From the west you hear an explosion! x2 It dies! It dies! It dies! It dies! You throw the plastic bottle of nitroglycerin [2]! Your weapon misfired! You are caught in the explosion!

Pthalocy · 2013-05-21T18:42:08.000Z

Also, I would not require gloves and glasses. Just produce acid gases clouds during the reactions. The players wu-ill learn to protect themselves.

True that. Learning the hard way stays true to the spirit of roguelikes. Let’s revise my previous gloves-and-goggles logic to (huge airquotes) “a good idea” and chalk up my cautiousness to being a ninny. XD

Mrnocamera · 2013-05-21T18:43:45.000Z

[quote=“drake1storm, post:15, topic:1226”][quote=“TheRealTenman, post:13, topic:1226”]How would homemade batteries do any thing?
Think about it, Tin can, lemon, ammonia, whatever
How the hell can this power ANYTHING!

But I can see it now…

Batteries (2)
Homemade Batteries (3400)
Thermite powder (10)
Canister of Homemade Napalm (300)
-Weapons-
Thermite grenade (2)
Thermite pipebomb (5)
Thermite incendiary device
Napalm thrower[/quote]

You can actually make a lower powered battery from fruit juices.

Are you telling me you never made an orange battery?[/quote]

I made a lemon battery, WEIGHING IN AT A AMAZING 1.5V!