CDDA Design Philosophy?

[RADIALTHRONE1]

On the subject of power armor, why can’t you wear oversized gear over it? I’m mainly talking things like backpacks which have adjustable straps to make “larger” people able to carry them.
(Do backpacks have the oversized tag?)

Maybe a system to force power armor (as wearable gear) down to the lowest equip level, and anything with the oversized tag (within reason, maybe a new “Over PA” tag) able to be worn on top of it.

[Valiant]

Strap-on and oversize items also do not get a pass, it’s not a matter of them fitting, it’s a matter of you being able to put them on while wearing power armor. Something that can be worn absurdly easily like a poncho, sure, something you have to thread your arms into and/or cinch up, nope.

power armor was never intended to work with backpacks

From this discussion (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/14764).

[Michi]

@Kevin - those changes sound excellent! Especially the car based ones. I like the idea of bringing my mobile fortress (after the difficulty of building one) to the edge of town and then having to sneak in at night to load up on food and other supplies.

Are there any thoughts around allowing a vehicle to tow another vehicle, like the way you see RV’s towing a car today?

[MrQwerty]

About bionics… i am afraid that adding a limit to bionics will get people stuck with bad bionics that they can’t remove - is there any removal feature planned for bionics?

[deoxy]

About bionics… i am afraid that adding a limit to bionics will get people stuck with bad bionics that they can’t remove - is there any removal feature planned for bionics?

There already is one - have a cutting tool and a first aid kit, open the bionics menu and hit ‘-’.

[hobophobic]

Still spitballing here, but what if hitting a boomer could obscure your windshield and effectively blind you? Windshield wipers would have to be added to counter this, but could lead to some interesting scenarios. Imagine your windshield being torn off because you hit a boomer…

I’d flesh this further by making the wiper blades have a high durability while inactive but become much more vulnerable while turned on. The logic being that the survivor would be able to easily protect them in their resting state, but using them obviously requires them to become exposed. That way, if something like the above situation were to happen it would be completely your own fault for forgetting to turn them off.

[kevin.granade]

We’ve put a lot of thought into towing, it’s possible but really tricky.

[deoxy]

We’ve put a lot of thought into towing, it’s possible but really tricky.

Difficulty acknowledged and appreciated… in the shorter term, any chance we could get a way to combine and split vehicles? That would be a decent hack until “real” towing is in (and could still be useful even then, say, for trailers that hold vehicles and such).

[kevin.granade]

Im not sure what you mean by “combine” that doesnt imply all the same problens as towing.
There are three issues:
Vehicle parts overlapping (like a car hauler or trailer), this is mostly an infrastructure issue, and is less tricky and more lots of code.
Flexible linkages and rotation, is the really nasty one, I have some ideas for how to make it work, but it requires completely overhauling how vehicle rotation and steering work.
Joining vehicles is fairly simple as long as neither of the other two issues is involved, so a bike or motorcycle hanger that picks up the smaller vehicle and holds it adjacent to the main vehicle would be fairly straightforward.

[FlaKougar]

[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:15, topic:11719”]Im not sure what you mean by “combine” that doesnt imply all the same problens as towing.
There are three issues:
Vehicle parts overlapping (like a car hauler or trailer), this is mostly an infrastructure issue, and is less tricky and more lots of code.
Flexible linkages and rotation, is the really nasty one, I have some ideas for how to make it work, but it requires completely overhauling how vehicle rotation and steering work.
Joining vehicles is fairly simple as long as neither of the other two issues is involved, so a bike or motorcycle hanger that picks up the smaller vehicle and holds it adjacent to the main vehicle would be fairly straightforward.[/quote]

Picking up a bicycle / motorcycle and shopping cart takes care of a good portion of my use cases.

If you could build one that could pick up a decent size wreck (fit vehicle in hollow U shaped vehicle to keep the carrying vehicle balanced) that might take of most of the use case without involving either difficult case. Doesn’t exactly look like a real world tow truck though.

[deoxy]

Joining vehicles is fairly simple as long as neither of the other two issues is involved, so a bike or motorcycle hanger that picks up the smaller vehicle and holds it adjacent to the main vehicle would be fairly straightforward.

That’s exactly what I was talking about.

[Voqar]

I got into this game within the past year and overall think the game is incredible - one of the best ever. But, I’m questioning some of the design direction and additions lately. Seems to be an emphasis on adding hassle and tedium, neither of which equate to challenge - just annoyance and wastes of time.

[MrQwerty]

From what i understand, it’s not tedium that’s being added - it’s adding things that will stop certain playstyles from being “the only single good playstyle ever! You have to build a rolling fortress or else you are playing this game wrong!!!”.
But yeah, after adding all the tedious things that make playstyles equal, the nice and fun additions should be next.

[Digital_Vulpine]

It will be a little sad to see some of my favorite absurdities being nerfed, but I can see why (especially the bionics, as much as I love playing a heavily-'meched character). And none of the changes are really crippling, in some cases like the vehicle changes it just pushes the power curve a little further into late/endgame (having to get mechanics 8+ to repair military stuff).

I would definitely love something like a bike rack though. Something that can quickly attach a small (~1x1-3x1) vehicle to a larger one, without having to completely deconstruct and re-construct the smaller vehicle all the time.

I imagine a 1-tile vehicle would be relatively easy to do an attachment for, if you could figure out a way to treat it as a virtual part of sorts, you would just install it to an available tile. Not sure how multi-tile vehicles could be handled, though I guess depending on how the code handles it, it might be possible to make a modular bike of sorts: you’d have 2-3 “1-tile vehicles”, that are actually only functional when attached to each other.

While that would result in not really eliminating the “decon-recon” problem, since you’d still have to take the modules apart and put them back together, it would at least streamline the process for things more complex than a trunksled.

Though, then there’s the problem of how to treat motors on the carried vehicle… if they’re active then either you’d need really high mechanics to mount anything with its own motor or you’d risk allowing “engine-modules” that bypass the skill check on multi-engine vehicles. If they’re not active then the modular bike trick wouldn’t work, and we’d be back to the problem of how to handle more than one tile. I suppose one compromise, though one that would likely be a headache to code, would be to default to installing the engine in an “inactive” state, but with the ability to “activate” it if it wouldn’t exceed the number of active engines your Mechanics skill allows.

Though a side-effect of that would be that while running a huge number of engines simultaneously would still be skill-capped, making super-hybrids that can run on just about anything as long as they only run one engine at a time would become possible at low skill levels. I do not know if people would see that as beneficial or detrimental.

Definitely a hard problem when you consider how it might interact with existing systems.

[youtoo]

I am sure someone will mod the ‘old school bionics’ not long after its nerfed for those of you upset about that. Bionics is more mid to late game. By then the game isn’t really hard… you generally have alot of good weapons and skills. I wouldn’t worry about it. ITs the early game thats really hard. For later game, I generally radically jack up the zombie numbers and move to make them spawn. Cause regular spawns arent that hard.

early game is when it can be tricky.

for cars more spawns of things with explosive weapons. Especially human type characters that can move would weaken cars alot. If you have a good car, you get more of these types of spawns.

[Michi]

Would be cool if there were bandits driving cars taking attacking you, but then this would make the game Car Wars and not CDDA

[Rezalex]

I am sure someone will mod the ‘old school bionics’ not long after its nerfed for those of you upset about that. Bionics is more mid to late game. By then the game isn’t really hard… you generally have alot of good weapons and skills. I wouldn’t worry about it. ITs the early game thats really hard. For later game, I generally radically jack up the zombie numbers and move to make them spawn. Cause regular spawns arent that hard.

Monster evolution helps with that a bit, I just don’t like the fat zombie’s upgrade. Corrosive zombie? That thing is devastating until you get a survivor wetsuit. Pretty sure there is a mod to remove them though.

[monocata]

Hello Granade .
Dose CBM get nerfed later?
Cause those funtion seems weird and overpowered.
If u want to charge so many power that means you need carry so many batteries.
that was big encumbrance for me(in my real life).

but cbm can make u a human battery and not add any weight.

[Rezalex]

There is some nerfing of cybernetics in the form of limiting how many types of CBMs you can put in certain parts of your body in the experimental versions. Torso, head, arms, and legs have their own individual maximum number of CBMs that can be put in them.

[monocata]

There is some nerfing of cybernetics in the form of limiting how many types of CBMs you can put in certain parts of your body in the experimental versions. Torso, head, arms, and legs have their own individual maximum number of CBMs that can be put in them.

including power storage?