Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead version 0.8 Romero released

HRose · 2013-10-08T09:44:34.000Z

[quote=“Kaet”]Unfortunately you’re wrong there. All the tilesets have been sort of half finished because vehicle frames are shown on top of everything else on the vehicle, so all the cars look like weird unidentifiable heaps that you can’t tell back to front from.
I’m guessing the tileset makers have maybe not voiced their problems enough if nothing has been done to fix it.[/quote]

I’ve opened bugs about this and other things.

Both tiles and standard SDL need a lot more work but it seems pretty low on the priority list of devs.

i2amroy · 2013-10-08T15:10:28.000Z

HRose:

Both tiles and standard SDL need a lot more work but it seems pretty low on the priority list of devs.

Mainly because GalenEvil is the main one who understands and handles that code, and he’s busy doing other kickstarter work.

(I know that personally I don’t use tiles at all [they don’t work on Cygwin] so I won’t be doing any tiles development/bugfixes.)

Fox · 2013-10-08T21:33:24.000Z

Are we supposed to get sound support at some point?

i2amroy · 2013-10-08T22:18:39.000Z

Well right now there isn’t anything to play for music. Sound support has been mentioned a few times, but it’s not exactly on the priority list (especially since most rougelikes are silent anyways). If anyone wants to code it up and make a PR it would probably go in though.

vultures · 2013-10-09T01:14:03.000Z

MIDI trax are on the way, you only need to be patient for a little while.
Even though I’m onto the whole “everything from nothing” all by myself, I didn’t forget nor did I brake the promise with (heart-breaking) abandonment of prior work. I just happen to like flawless things that tend to move worlds.

Wayfarer · 2013-10-20T04:20:16.000Z

Popping back to look in at ye olde CDDA…and oh lookie, a new version!

Just want to say it’s pretty awesome. Love the new things I’ve played with so far. I’m using the SDL tiles version, it’s really nice. I can play without tiles, I just much prefer it WITH tiles. So it’s great.

Had a look at the advanced inventory management, and I pretty much came on right now to say how awesome that is. Perhaps one of the best features. I know it’s been in for a while, but even so.

Great bloody work you lot!

EDIT: I wondered what the blue rectangle between Day and Focus was…and I wondered what the time was…then found a watch. Figured that without the watch, that little rectangle was a representation of where the sun was!! Hooooly shiiiiieeet. Such a cool little immersion type feature

HRose · 2013-10-22T08:11:44.000Z

Vehicles are for the most part fixed in tile mode with the latest experimental SDL build.

If someone wants to test my WIP fake-ASCII tileset it’s always here: http://cesspit.net/misc/10x10.zip

I update it from time to time.

GlyphGryph · 2013-10-22T13:27:05.000Z

i2amroy:

Well right now there isn’t anything to play for music. Sound support has been mentioned a few times, but it’s not exactly on the priority list (especially since most rougelikes are silent anyways). If anyone wants to code it up and make a PR it would probably go in though.

Actually, you might remember the music thread - the guy who had the most support has written us an entire soundtrack, and it really is just waiting on sound support to be added.

vultures · 2013-10-22T22:23:07.000Z

Not only one soundtrack; I’m patiently exploring the indie scene for authors, studying their approaches and improving the current songs that are lined up for the first pick (the first two-by-four, as mentioned before). I saw this as the only way, since the game was, at one instance of the time, greatly improving in every aspect; the actual tunes should supply the dynamic to drive player’s imagination through different game phases. As the dev team has tasks lined up, this will also be there as I promised, eventually.
Again, my inspiration comes from free tools for open sourced games - and any real improvement will be appreciated as far as the embedded technologies and digital formats go. If there would ever be anything besides the 24 tracks I’ve planned myself, I see no problem supplying them for future gamers, in any mod there can be.

edit:
The Informer bit, for those not patient yet: TMPDT
Start reading from above, PM and email me for ideas.
The topic commited to the third batch (tracks 17-24) would be more interesting (hopefully not a one-man act and interactive for the board members.

Binky · 2013-10-23T18:15:35.000Z

Just to confirm, the music will be a separate download right? I know it probably wouldn’t take up much space, but I (and a few other Cata players I know) are currently stuck using mobile internet and I know others just don’t want sound, so an expanding file size would be annoying. It’d be great to have the music as a mod (and I can’t wait to see what’s been designed) but just as a separate download.

GlyphGryph · 2013-10-23T18:47:33.000Z

I think the goal is to have a Resourceful and Resourceless download - for those with crappy internet connections, you’d download the base game and it wouldn’t come with music or tiles, but you could download them separately as desired and just drop them into place. For most people, you just download the full version and switch between the various options locally as it strikes your fancy, with everything already plugged in.

kevin.granade · 2013-10-23T19:10:21.000Z

*kevingranade pokes at the SDL_mixer API with a stick.
Huh, that’s not as bad as I thought…

John_Candlebury · 2013-10-23T19:33:25.000Z

While we discuss music i ll drop this jewel i found here

Newgrounds.com

Solitary Desolation ~P~

A piano, violin, and cello describe my feelings as of late.

That feeling of loneliness and hopelessness

This one is perhaps to gamey but is awesome also http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/548279

Binky · 2013-10-23T20:21:24.000Z

GlyphGryph:

I think the goal is to have a Resourceful and Resourceless download - for those with crappy internet connections, you’d download the base game and it wouldn’t come with music or tiles, but you could download them separately as desired and just drop them into place. For most people, you just download the full version and switch between the various options locally as it strikes your fancy, with everything already plugged in.

That sounds great, I just despise when things go from a 2mb to a 30mb download for resources you just don’t need to play. Will this be for the experimental’s as well? Cata dev builds seem to have become increasingly stable (I imagine it’s from a lot of hard work recoding messy bits) so it’d be a shame if we couldn’t get those resourceless as well.

As a side note however, having them as a plugin/mod (even an all in one ‘official resource’ mod) might make it easier rather than having lots of different ‘full’ versions? Just a thought.

vultures · 2013-10-23T21:21:17.000Z

The SFX could get large enough but that’s not the case with midi compositions.
As for support and custom user picks, players should be able to enjoy mpeg and browse the resource folder in-game.
Again, ideas folder open for the enthusiastic bunch: mailto.

kevin.granade · 2013-10-23T21:23:48.000Z

I think for releases we’ll have:
“game + media” archives for each build.
“game only” archives for each build.
Official release media archive.
For experimental builds they will almost certainly just be the game itself, we probably aren’t putting audio media into github anyway.
We might do periodic media releases if we e.g. find a new song or add some more sounds to the media pack.
We’re fairly unlikely to do a curses or wincurses release that includes audio, since we’re probably going to use SDL for audio, which might just be a step to far for number of build targets.

Ninja’ed by vultures: Yea, the media directory is just going to be a directory with a bunch of sound files in it, maybe with some json attaching metadata to different files. You should also be able to drop in your own sounds. SDL_mixer supports a pretty wide variety of formats, so it’s pretty much drop in and play.

vultures · 2013-10-23T22:12:55.000Z

Now for that kung fu kick, there are a lot of media libraries - but you might wanna take a look at cncs232.dll (MMF 1.5 or above) for it’s a way to bring a/v content to Windows games. Platformers and indie platformers such as SMW use it frequently.
note: The library and the consequent ones are free (and required to run certain games) but the developer tool isn’t. It’s an alternative when you’re trying to get things done without SDL 1.2 and 2.0, but it’s also more than a directX mixer.

kevin.granade · 2013-10-31T15:07:08.000Z

Windows-only is a dealbreaker, as is non-open source developer tool requirements.
It needs to be cross-platform and open source for me to even consider it, I’m fairly sure SDL is the best option in that direction, even more so since we’re already integrated with SDL.

jcannon98188 · 2013-10-31T17:22:45.000Z

Another option for media is to do it how soundsense in dwarf fortress handles their download. you could have a downloader exe with the game to download the optional media. That way you guys don’t have to have multiple versions of the game available, and we could just decide if we want the download individually or not.

kevin.granade · 2013-10-31T17:37:48.000Z

That’s actually a far more complicated solution
Providing multiple versions is simple and cleap.