# Broken bones

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [August 27, 2013, 10:50am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843 "2013-08-27T10:50:46Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 16\
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**Author:** ![deoxy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@deoxy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/deoxy)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/41 "2017-05-12T19:49:37Z")

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> [@Alec White](#):
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> [quote=“Szara, post:30, topic:2843”]You can spam using bandages/FAKs or other medical items on yourself/NPCs if you find enough, but the efficient method is to find one of the low skill first aid books and read it.

Didn’t cauterize worked too?

You could break a window and pass it to get small wounds to heal. And then use bandages.[/quote]

I had one game where I had managed to install some CBMs, but then I wanted to grind First Aid, and I used the Chain Lightning bionic to slightly injure myself in every location, then use 6 bandages to heal them. Still took WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY too long.

I’ve used to boomers to grind my dodge up to 7 before (you can only gain dodge from their spit after level 4), and I’ve made and disassembled stuff to get my electronics to 12+, so I know a bit about grinding. Grinding first aid past the VERY early levels that way is, for all practical purposes, impossible.

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**Author:** ![Alec\_White](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/alec_white/32/509_2.png) [@Alec\_White](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Alec_White)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/42 "2017-05-12T19:52:22Z")

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[quote=“deoxy, post:41, topic:2843”]I had one game where I had managed to install some CBMs, but then I wanted to grind First Aid, and I used the Chain Lightning bionic to slightly injure myself in every location, then use 6 bandages to heal them. Still took WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY too long.

I’ve used to boomers to grind my dodge up to 7 before (you can only gain dodge from their spit after level 4), and I’ve made and disassembled stuff to get my electronics to 12+, so I know a bit about grinding. Grinding first aid past the VERY early levels that way is, for all practical purposes, impossible.[/quote]

More or less at what level does it become into a brick wall to grind?

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**Author:** ![Miloch](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/miloch/32/1339_2.png) [@Miloch](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Miloch)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/43 "2017-05-12T20:43:17Z")

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> [@deoxy](#):
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> [quote=“Miloch, post:36, topic:2843”]Hexman, piss off and die in a fire. I don’t care what you think. Keep your sorry excuse of an opinion to yourself. You are not a moderator or anything of the kind. Get over yourself.

Well THAT escalated quickly.[/quote]  
Sorry. Call it a pet peeve or whatever. But jerks telling others what to do when they have no authority or true knowledge of the subject irk me.

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**Author:** ![Zanos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zanos/32/422_2.png) [@Zanos](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zanos)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/44 "2017-05-12T20:57:48Z")

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> [@Alec White](#):
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> You could break a window and pass it to get small wounds to heal. And then use bandages.

I think there’s a chance to get tetanus from that. Cut yourself with care.

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**Author:** ![hexman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/hexman/32/2599_2.png) [@hexman](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/hexman)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 7:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/45 "2017-05-13T07:22:09Z")

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> [@Alec White](#):
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> No one cares about that.

Yeah I can see that. But this isn’t the youtube comments man, you can’t just flame people whenever you want.

> [@Miloch](#):
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> I do when they keep coming back to bother me more and put their two cents in. So go fuck yourself telling me to chill. How about you just take your happy piece of shit ass elsewhere.

You don’t make the rules here man; everyone has equal posting rights and right to post their opinion in any thread. You can’t just tell someone to f\*ck off just because you want them to.

> [@Miloch](#):
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> Sorry. Call it a pet peeve or whatever. But jerks telling others what to do when they have no authority or true knowledge of the subject irk me.

Still, it doesn’t justify trolling. And where did I demonstrate that I’ve the knowledge (or lack therof) of “the subject”? It was my assumption that necroing is frowned upon in this forum (when done needlessly) and instead of answering that you resorted to flaming. It isn’t my fault that you can’t answer people without flaming. I won’t take this discussion further because it has been derailed enough.

I believe that this forum had rules, too bad this is not the case anymore.

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**Author:** ![deadmerits](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/deadmerits/32/19_2.png) [@deadmerits](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/deadmerits)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 7:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/46 "2017-05-13T07:37:49Z")

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I’m going to say that I’ve never met Miloch, but after having only met you a little while ago, I prefer Miloch. And again, I’ve never even met the guy.

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**Author:** ![hexman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/hexman/32/2599_2.png) [@hexman](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/hexman)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/47 "2017-05-13T07:41:45Z")

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> [@Zanos](#):
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> [quote=“Alec White, post:40, topic:2843”]You could break a window and pass it to get small wounds to heal. And then use bandages.

I think there’s a chance to get tetanus from that. Cut yourself with care.[/quote]

The wiki lists that you can get tetanus from broken windows but from the code (src/trapfunc.cpp:112, 144, 740, etc.), I can only see that you can get tetanus from Beartraps, Nailboards, Glass/Spiked Pits. But I’m sure the wiki knows more than I do so…

Speaking of self-harm, a better (but a little risky) idea would be to lure a shocker (not a Shocker-brute, just a regular shocker) in and get a few shocks and then run away. Electric shocks does decent amount of damage without damaging any item in the inventory (worn or otherwise). Just don’t get too close or they can finish an early survivor real quick. My current (and relatively new) survivor got damaged pretty roughly this way but got a nice buff in first-aid after using up all the bandage.

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**Author:** ![Solusphere](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/solusphere/32/66_2.png) [@Solusphere](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Solusphere)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 7:45am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/48 "2017-05-13T07:45:45Z")

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I’m not a mod, but please try to keep this kind of bickering to a minimum. Regardless of who started it and who’s in the right, if anyone, you can easily coexist on this forum without perpetuating fights like these. Doing so doesn’t benefit anyone.

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**Author:** ![hexman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/hexman/32/2599_2.png) [@hexman](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/hexman)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 7:52am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/49 "2017-05-13T07:52:36Z")

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> [@Solusphere](#):
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> I’m not a mod, but please try to keep this kind of bickering to a minimum. Regardless of who started it and who’s in the right, if anyone, you can easily coexist on this forum without perpetuating fights like these. Doing so doesn’t benefit anyone.

Yeah I know that. But this is what bothers me though:

> [@Miloch](#):
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> I do when they keep coming back to bother me more and put their two cents in. So go fuck yourself telling me to chill. How about you just take your happy piece of shit ass elsewhere.

I thought everyone can post their opinion without getting flamed. Regardless, I’ve already said I won’t take this matter further so I won’t discuss this anymore.

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**Author:** ![\_k1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/_k1/32/1335_2.png) [@\_k1](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/_k1)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 9:00am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/50 "2017-05-13T09:00:23Z")

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There’s REPORT button, just in case you did’nt notice.

FA is grindable at least until lvl 5. Get a welding cart, a full battery, and full hp bars, and cauterize. Right it needs that much energy and blood.

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**Author:** ![Miloch](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/miloch/32/1339_2.png) [@Miloch](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Miloch)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/51 "2017-05-13T17:52:11Z")

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I messaged an admin a while ago. One who was online. Dunno. Wow. Repeatedly cauterization. That’d get ugly. Might as well be mas too. 😛 Also a quote from the rules section.

To repeat an earlier sentiment: If you have a problem with someone’s behaviour or post content, do not continue the discussion with them if you feel it has crossed a line. Report the post in question using the forum’s report button feature. Moderators cannot be everywhere at once. We can bring up a report list, and you can help us best by using it.

Before you say it applies to me. I’m here specifically to discuss my question I asked way earlier. Certain someone keeps coming back stating they were right. 😛

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**Author:** ![Alec\_White](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/alec_white/32/509_2.png) [@Alec\_White](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Alec_White)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/52 "2017-05-13T19:26:29Z")

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> [@§k](#):
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> FA is grindable at least until lvl 5. Get a welding cart, a full battery, and full hp bars, and cauterize. Right it needs that much energy and blood.

Wait wait wait.

You can grind First Aid simply by cauterizing yourself? Even if you don’t have any bleeding to cauterize?

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**Author:** ![\_k1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/_k1/32/1335_2.png) [@\_k1](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/_k1)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/53 "2017-05-14T00:23:27Z")

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Only if your character is a masochist.

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**Author:** ![Azrad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Azrad](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Azrad)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/54 "2017-05-14T05:17:39Z")

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Hmmm, can’t you just add more and more layers of clothing like blankets so that your survivor will reach scorching temperature levels so they’ll get damaged from that?

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**Author:** ![iceball3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c89c15/32.png) [@iceball3](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/iceball3)\
**Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/55 "2017-05-17T19:47:05Z")

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[quote=“Azrad, post:54, topic:2843”]Hmmm, can’t you just add more and more layers of clothing like blankets so that your survivor will reach scorching temperature levels so they’ll get damaged from that?[/quote]I think you’re better off starting a fire near a water source, at that point. Or blinding yourself with a blindfold or excessive eye encumbrance and trampling on spiked boards.

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**Author:** ![deoxy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@deoxy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/deoxy)\
**Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/broken-bones/2843/56 "2017-05-17T22:52:35Z")

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> [@iceball3](#):
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> [quote=“Azrad, post:54, topic:2843”]Hmmm, can’t you just add more and more layers of clothing like blankets so that your survivor will reach scorching temperature levels so they’ll get damaged from that?[/quote]I think you’re better off starting a fire near a water source, at that point. Or blinding yourself with a blindfold or excessive eye encumbrance and trampling on spiked boards.

Standing too close to lava gets the job done quickly and easily, as well.

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