# Brass/Steel Knuckles

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [October 20, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623 "2014-10-20T00:12:01Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![chefvordivask](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/chefvordivask/32/316_2.png) [@chefvordivask](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/chefvordivask)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/1 "2014-10-20T00:12:01Z")

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Just a quick question. Do Steel Knuckles only count as a blunt weapon, or do they also count as an unarmed weapon?

dont call me dum pls

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 12:16am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/2 "2014-10-20T00:16:41Z")

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Ur dum

Both.

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**Author:** ![Blaze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Blaze](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Blaze)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 12:21am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/3 "2014-10-20T00:21:37Z")

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They have the “Unarmed\_Weapon” flag, so they’re compatible with martial arts.

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**Author:** ![chefvordivask](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/chefvordivask/32/316_2.png) [@chefvordivask](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/chefvordivask)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/4 "2014-10-20T00:28:24Z")

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Alright, thanks. I figured it out on my own. I experimented by running around and fisting all the children at my town’s parks and seeing if I got more skilled.

And yes, I am going on record with that statement.

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**Author:** ![saltmummy626](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/saltmummy626/32/300_2.png) [@saltmummy626](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/saltmummy626)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 12:56am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/5 "2014-10-20T00:56:32Z")

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> [@chefvordivask](#):
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> I experimented by running around and fisting all the children at my town’s parks and seeing if I got more skilled.

0\_0

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**Author:** ![HunterAlpha1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@HunterAlpha1](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/HunterAlpha1)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/6 "2014-10-20T02:36:28Z")

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I want to sig that so bad, but I’m out of space.

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 3:08am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/7 "2014-10-20T03:08:11Z")

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> [@HunterAlpha1](#):
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> I want to sig that so bad, but I’m out of space.

As am I.

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**Author:** ![Goombah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Goombah](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Goombah)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/8 "2014-10-20T03:15:26Z")

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Okay. This thread gave me my LOL of the day.

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**Author:** ![Raskulle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/raskulle/32/368_2.png) [@Raskulle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Raskulle)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 8:48am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/9 "2014-10-20T08:48:58Z")

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Bare knuckles is best knuckles.

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**Author:** ![Murphy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/murphy/32/2371_2.png) [@Murphy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Murphy)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 9:59am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/10 "2014-10-20T09:59:07Z")

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Not all martial arts will accept unarmed weapons.

Karate only works with bare hands, for example.

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**Author:** ![fish\_have\_fingers\_no](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/fish_have_fingers_no/32/360_2.png) [@fish\_have\_fingers\_no](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/fish_have_fingers_no)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/11 "2014-10-20T16:33:18Z")

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> [@chefvordivask](#):
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> I experimented by running around and fisting all the children at my town’s parks and seeing if I got more skilled.

So… Did you get a morale penalty for that or what? Lol.

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**Author:** ![Arek\_PL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b77776/32.png) [@Arek\_PL](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Arek_PL)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/12 "2014-10-20T18:08:40Z")

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> [@fish have fingers now?](#):
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> [quote=“chefvordivask, post:4, topic:7623”]I experimented by running around and fisting all the children at my town’s parks and seeing if I got more skilled.

So… Did you get a morale penalty for that or what? Lol.[/quote]  
of course not  
he have psyhopatch trait

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/13 "2014-10-20T19:02:45Z")

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Even if he hasn’t, the thrill wears off around 100th child.

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**Author:** ![jokermatt999](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9bcb4/32.png) [@jokermatt999](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/jokermatt999)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/14 "2014-10-20T20:51:09Z")

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Moving on past that phrasing, knuckles/UNARMED\_WEAPONs are just a straight damage bonus over bare hands, assuming the martial art is compatible, right?

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**Author:** ![chefvordivask](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/chefvordivask/32/316_2.png) [@chefvordivask](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/chefvordivask)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 11:36pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/15 "2014-10-20T23:36:36Z")

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Actually, my guy felt terrible. Naturally I fixed that by eating candies, readying Playboy and using my vibrator over their dead bodies.

This is basic science, you guys.

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 12:44am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/16 "2014-10-21T00:44:12Z")

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> [@jokermatt999](#):
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> Moving on past that phrasing, knuckles/UNARMED\_WEAPONs are just a straight damage bonus over bare hands, assuming the martial art is compatible, right?

Unless I’m reading melee.cpp wrong, bashing damage (and bashing skill) from the unarmed weapon is totally ignored, while cutting/piercing damage is added as if it wasn’t an unarmed weapon.  
However if your weapon is an unarmed strike weapon, your claw mutations will add their cutting or piercing damage (they add to both, but only the higher value is used) as long as you have nothing on your hands.

Actually not nothing - for some reason mutations add cutting damage to attacks only if you ARE wearing something, while stabbing ones only if you aren’t. That’s probably a bug.

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**Author:** ![Rhodri](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rhodri/32/342_2.png) [@Rhodri](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rhodri)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/17 "2014-10-22T13:50:11Z")

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> [@chefvordivask](#):
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> I experimented by running around and fisting all the children at my town’s parks and seeing if I got more skilled.

Finally sigged.

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**Author:** ![kingorkami](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kingorkami/32/242_2.png) [@kingorkami](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kingorkami)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 8:47pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/18 "2014-10-22T20:47:22Z")

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Heh, you got it before me.

Also, this got kinda confusing so allow me to ask again.  
Assuming that when you put on your knuckles and your unarmed style still works, are the knuckles worth it? (they do slow attacks)

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/19 "2014-10-22T22:36:22Z")

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If the info in my post above is correct, any unarmed weapon that only deals bashing damage is automatically not worth using.

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**Author:** ![Raskulle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/raskulle/32/368_2.png) [@Raskulle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Raskulle)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/brass-steel-knuckles/7623/20 "2014-10-22T23:10:19Z")

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SO punch dagger is best dagger?