# Bio soldiers

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [April 3, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719 "2014-04-03T23:07:46Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 11\
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**Author:** ![Nick7532](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nick7532](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Nick7532)\
**Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/1 "2014-04-03T23:07:46Z")

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Bio Operators were a fun first encounter… Went about my first day as usual, targeting gun shops and clothing stores. Night falls and I head for a millitary outpost for keycards and all of a sudden a bio operator comes running through a damn wall, turret and fence and beats the crap out of me. Died in two turns from severe head trauma. How much freaking HP do they have? I fired a whole burst from a Scar-h and it just wouldn’t die.

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**Author:** ![John\_Candlebury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/john_candlebury/32/6437_2.png) [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\
**Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 7:08am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/2 "2014-04-04T07:08:27Z")

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You gotta love their CQC takedown.

\*The zombie kicks your left leg for 9 damage… and slams you, face first, to the ground for 20 damage!

It got totally pwned. But at least the mental image was fun.

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**Author:** ![jokermatt999](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9bcb4/32.png) [@jokermatt999](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/jokermatt999)\
**Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 10:42am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/3 "2014-04-04T10:42:46Z")

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Does judo work against them? That’d make it more useful.

I definitely noticed they were actually doing some damage on my character who normally breezes through everything though. It’s nice to have some challenge.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/4 "2014-04-05T20:01:54Z")

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Glad to see my boys and girls playing so well; they’re designed to be tough for later-game folks. 🙂 They shouldn’t be able to hulksmash walls, though.

120 HP or thereabouts, 10-12 armor, 3 dodge. Headshots and weapon-block tend to be the way to go; I haven’t found a reasonable way around the weapon-block problem but might consider having 'em disarm the player.

Judo should prevent the knockdown but probably not the damage; if not, I’ll take a look once my laptop can get online again. Home net-access has been Out thanks to a fucked-up telco called verizon.

Will look into reducing the cycle time on the CQC so you get more fun mental imagery.

(You of course butchered it when done, John?)

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**Author:** ![John\_Candlebury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/john_candlebury/32/6437_2.png) [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/5 "2014-04-05T20:14:19Z")

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> [@KA101](#):
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> (You of course butchered it when done, John?)

I don’t know it may have butchered me after it was done. But it surely didn’t get fancy bionics from my corpse if that’s what you meant 😛

It would be pretty cool if you get to add more flavor text to their attacks though.

(I often loot barracks on the first night, seems I can no longer do that)

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**Author:** ![infectedmochi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/infectedmochi/32/206_2.png) [@infectedmochi](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/infectedmochi)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2014, 2:48am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/6 "2014-04-06T02:48:09Z")

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Quite a brutal zombie I must say :). Encountered the bastard in the nighty build today, get wrecked instantly and the metal image is quite funny indeed.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/7 "2014-04-07T18:40:08Z")

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> [@John Candlebury](#):
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> [quote=“KA101, post:4, topic:5719”](You of course butchered it when done, John?)

I don’t know it may have butchered me after it was done. But it surely didn’t get fancy bionics from my corpse if that’s what you meant 😛

It would be pretty cool if you get to add more flavor text to their attacks though.

(I often loot barracks on the first night, seems I can no longer do that)[/quote]

Huh. When I read “it got totally pwned” I imagined you tossing a fireball at it or something. :-/

They’re speed 95, so you’re marginally faster than they are. Running is technically an option.

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**Author:** ![Sep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@Sep](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Sep)\
**Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 12:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/8 "2014-04-08T12:13:34Z")

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> [@KA101](#):
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> Glad to see my boys and girls playing so well; they’re designed to be tough for later-game folks. 🙂 They shouldn’t be able to hulksmash walls, though.

they are really cool. well done!

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**Author:** ![Blackopsman9999](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8797f3/32.png) [@Blackopsman9999](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Blackopsman9999)\
**Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/9 "2014-04-08T21:40:15Z")

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> [@KA101](#):
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> They’re speed 95, so you’re marginally faster than they are. Running is technically an option.

Unless it hits you once, then you lose the speed due to pain :lD

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 8:52am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/10 "2014-04-09T08:52:05Z")

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[quote=“jokermatt999, post:3, topic:5719”]Does judo work against them? That’d make it more useful.

I definitely noticed they were actually doing some damage on my character who normally breezes through everything though. It’s nice to have some challenge.[/quote]

I looked and apparently judo’s throw/KD immunity doesn’t seem to actually come up in any combat code. 8-( I suspect I know what I’ll be fixing in the near future.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 9:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719/11 "2014-04-10T09:23:37Z")

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Doubleposting for [PR](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/7155).

Should be an incentive to learn/use Judo once this lands: immunity to hostile throws and knockdowns (not very many ATM), and possibly reversals and counters if this one works out.