Balancing the game

[ZombieTermite]

[quote=“Stelknecht, post:112, topic:4901”]I kinda like the crazy whacky OP stuff. I’ll concede that the cutting weapons seem to be unstoppable, but isn’t that the zombie trope?
And it’s not like a nailbat is any less unstoppable once your bashing skill gets higher. I (5% of a real guy’s vote since I’m a newbie dork) support adjusting enemies rather than removing the stuff. So many zombie movies involve ridiculous assumptions and/or ridiculous weapons/tools/cars, but it’s for fun. And it is. I’m having a blast still after 3 weeks of basically nothing but Cata. And I didn’t enjoy it so much before, because I could never get very far. Hell, I support even MORE wierd stuff… steampunk power armor, dirigibles with coal powered props, chronoslipped roman legionaires, it’s all for fun.[/quote]

The reason I picked up cataclysm in the first place was that it was advertised as being so much more than a zombie apocalypse. I guess that put me under the impression that this was a full on sci fi apocalypse; with aliens, zombies, mutants, Lovecraftian horrors, and more. It also put me under the impression that weapons, vehicles, powers, armor, and tools would continue to be more varied, abundant, and unique.

That’s what I thought this game was.
Not a zombie apocalypse
A science fiction apocalypse

But I’m getting the idea that I’m mistaken.

[HunterAlpha1]

[quote=“ZombieTermite, post:113, topic:4901”][quote=“Stelknecht, post:112, topic:4901”]I kinda like the crazy whacky OP stuff. I’ll concede that the cutting weapons seem to be unstoppable, but isn’t that the zombie trope?
And it’s not like a nailbat is any less unstoppable once your bashing skill gets higher. I (5% of a real guy’s vote since I’m a newbie dork) support adjusting enemies rather than removing the stuff. So many zombie movies involve ridiculous assumptions and/or ridiculous weapons/tools/cars, but it’s for fun. And it is. I’m having a blast still after 3 weeks of basically nothing but Cata. And I didn’t enjoy it so much before, because I could never get very far. Hell, I support even MORE wierd stuff… steampunk power armor, dirigibles with coal powered props, chronoslipped roman legionaires, it’s all for fun.[/quote]

The reason I picked up cataclysm in the first place was that it was advertised as being so much more than a zombie apocalypse. I guess that put me under the impression that this was a full on sci fi apocalypse; with aliens, zombies, mutants, Lovecraftian horrors, and more. It also put me under the impression that weapons, vehicles, powers, armor, and tools would continue to be more varied, abundant, and unique.

That’s what I thought this game was.
Not a zombie apocalypse
A science fiction apocalypse

But I’m getting the idea that I’m mistaken.[/quote]the sarcasm is strong in this one.

[ZombieTermite]

[quote=“HunterAlpha1, post:114, topic:4901”][quote=“ZombieTermite, post:113, topic:4901”][quote=“Stelknecht, post:112, topic:4901”]I kinda like the crazy whacky OP stuff. I’ll concede that the cutting weapons seem to be unstoppable, but isn’t that the zombie trope?
And it’s not like a nailbat is any less unstoppable once your bashing skill gets higher. I (5% of a real guy’s vote since I’m a newbie dork) support adjusting enemies rather than removing the stuff. So many zombie movies involve ridiculous assumptions and/or ridiculous weapons/tools/cars, but it’s for fun. And it is. I’m having a blast still after 3 weeks of basically nothing but Cata. And I didn’t enjoy it so much before, because I could never get very far. Hell, I support even MORE wierd stuff… steampunk power armor, dirigibles with coal powered props, chronoslipped roman legionaires, it’s all for fun.[/quote]

The reason I picked up cataclysm in the first place was that it was advertised as being so much more than a zombie apocalypse. I guess that put me under the impression that this was a full on sci fi apocalypse; with aliens, zombies, mutants, Lovecraftian horrors, and more. It also put me under the impression that weapons, vehicles, powers, armor, and tools would continue to be more varied, abundant, and unique.

That’s what I thought this game was.
Not a zombie apocalypse
A science fiction apocalypse

But I’m getting the idea that I’m mistaken.[/quote]the sarcasm is strong in this one.[/quote]
I’m trying to see where I was being sarcastic.
Maybe I’m far worse at communication than I thought which would not surprise me.
I’m not kidding I thought it was a full on scifi apocalypse.

[KA101]

Sad part is that ZombieTermite’s right. It is a full-on SF apocalypse.

We’ve had a googledoc under construction for some time now. Unfortunately, GlyphGryph’s not had the time to participate as much as he ideally would; he’s the central lorekeeper, IIRC.

[GlyphGryph]

Well generally it’s a B-movie apocalypse in a sci-fi setting.

Also, I’m so retired from being the core lorekeeper right now. My only remaining duties are organizing fulfillment of kickstarter rewards and funding the bounties once they’ve been decided.

[Binky]

Full on sci-fi apocalypse or not, there needs to be some sort of rules or it’s just (as it is now) chaos. It started (at the very beginning of DDA) very differently from where it is now in terms of tone and theme, and it’s fine if it’s changed, I just think it’s impossible to get any balancing or coherence down without an actual statement of what the game is actually supposed to be.

[ZombieTermite]

Full on sci-fi apocalypse or not, there needs to be some sort of rules or it’s just (as it is now) chaos. It started (at the very beginning of DDA) very differently from where it is now in terms of tone and theme, and it’s fine if it’s changed, I just think it’s impossible to get any balancing or coherence down without an actual statement of what the game is actually supposed to be.

But the beauty of Cataclysm DDA is the chaos
(no I don’t mean the unstable features and bugs)

You want a realistic new england but, "The world as you knew it is gone and in its place, a twisted mockery of all that was once familiar. "

[system]

Here is how I see this thread playing out with eachother:

[hazerddex]

Full on sci-fi apocalypse or not, there needs to be some sort of rules or it’s just (as it is now) chaos. It started (at the very beginning of DDA) very differently from where it is now in terms of tone and theme, and it’s fine if it’s changed, I just think it’s impossible to get any balancing or coherence down without an actual statement of what the game is actually supposed to be.

it’s plenty clear to me a sandbox sci-fi apocalypse survival game… also 10 years, from some of the in game book this takes place during or at least after 2040 or 2041, that is at least 27 years from now! If you can think, or know (I have no idea what your age is), what 27 years in the past was like then you have to realize that thing could most certainly be VERY different from right now. I mean look at what we have NOW, you do realize we already have prototype powered armor, lasers, rail-guns, we even have pig mutants that glow in the dark.

[Zireael]

[quote=“KA101, post:116, topic:4901”]Sad part is that ZombieTermite’s right. It is a full-on SF apocalypse.

We’ve had a googledoc under construction for some time now. Unfortunately, GlyphGryph’s not had the time to participate as much as he ideally would; he’s the central lorekeeper, IIRC.[/quote]

KA101, Glyph, any chances to get a link to said Google Doc?

[Nopkar]

[quote=“gtaguy, post:120, topic:4901”]Here is how I see this thread playing out with eachother:

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yeah, waiting for this to stop being like the above, a general beat down of the devs and more of a ‘How can we get involved and start helping’

until then:

[Binky]

No one (well, I’m not) is beating down the devs or suggesting that cataclysmDDA should be completely realistic (zombies, flesh angels and whatever prove otherwise). However, regardless of how weird and wacky it wants to be, it needs some universe-boundaries or it’s just not fun.

Think of it this way, we could just make ‘the killing gun’ which kills everything in one shot. Obviously we don’t want that because it’s not fun (for most people), yet some of the things that are getting pulled in are like that. Similarly, we could a magical staff that shoots ice bolts and summons ghosts, but we don’t want that, because it’s too DnD (for most people). Yeah, these are extreme examples, but at the moment it seems very similar to that in a lot of ways.

Although I sincerely want to help, I don’t think the community can help in a positive way until some coherent vision is put forward - it’ll just stay as it is now, with people adding their own vanity additions and shoehorning in their own particular fantasies.

[John_Candlebury]

[quote=“Nopkar, post:123, topic:4901”][quote=“gtaguy, post:120, topic:4901”]Here is how I see this thread playing out with eachother:

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yeah, waiting for this to stop being like the above, a general beat down of the devs and more of a ‘How can we get involved and start helping’

until then:

funny image[/quote]

But hey that thread already exists, or at least those were my intentions when i made this thread but this one is aparently way more active and illustrative of the attempts to balance the game for some reason or another.

You know perhaps you could make a reasonable point by posting in there, perhaps something is not really unbalanced or perhaps i missed something and you could argue for its exlusion/inclusion, also, it would save me a lot of trouble if my ideas are shot down while they are on paper instead of when I have already made the prs.

So why don’t you let your opinion be heard in the other thread , but do read the first post, its goals are very different from the goals in this thread, first of it doesn’t include removing items from game, only tweaking of stats and spawn rates.

[hazerddex]

[quote=“Binky, post:124, topic:4901”]No one (well, I’m not) is beating down the devs or suggesting that cataclysmDDA should be completely realistic (zombies, flesh angels and whatever prove otherwise). However, regardless of how weird and wacky it wants to be, it needs some universe-boundaries or it’s just not fun.

Think of it this way, we could just make ‘the killing gun’ which kills everything in one shot. Obviously we don’t want that because it’s not fun (for most people), yet some of the things that are getting pulled in are like that. Similarly, we could a magical staff that shoots ice bolts and summons ghosts, but we don’t want that, because it’s too DnD (for most people). Yeah, these are extreme examples, but at the moment it seems very similar to that in a lot of ways.

Although I sincerely want to help, I don’t think the community can help in a positive way until some coherent vision is put forward - it’ll just stay as it is now, with people adding their own vanity additions and shoehorning in their own particular fantasies.[/quote]

not to be rude or anything but after reading this your reminding me of this

[DG123]

I already have the killing gun. It’s called the railgun.

[hazerddex]

I already have the killing gun. It’s called the railgun.

i have a killing weapon to its called my characters fist in a zombies face

[DG123]

Does your fist do about 350 damage per shot? The railgun seems to.

[John_Candlebury]

In the great words of ninja

LOL newbs.

I use a scarf, get on my level.

And the railgun ammo is so rare comparatively that it very well could do 9000+ damage a shot

[DG123]

Rare?

I can get tonnes of railgun ammo. I just drive a car through a house. REBARS FOR EVERYONE!

[hazerddex]

[quote=“DG123, post:131, topic:4901”]Rare?

I can get tonnes of railgun ammo. I just drive a car through a house. REBARS FOR EVERYONE![/quote]

i gave up on guns after i killed a zombie hulk with my hands and did not get any damage

although driving car though houses to get ammo sounds awesome i might try it with a military bunker later