Archery

[Kryxx]

The new aiming system is great. If you hit the . key your waiting until your shot is better for each time increment (6s?)

Careful with metal arrows/bolts. A large quiver (60) will set you back 30+ pounds of weight.

The cata: DDA future doesn’t have aluminum and they are all made of solid steel. To the point where 10 of them weight 5 lbs.

I usually stick with 1 large quiver for heavy wooden arrows and 1 quiver for metal arrows.

I don’t use crossbows, too slow for the damage they deal. If I want to shoot crossbow bolts I’ll use the pnuematic bolt driver. But that is mostly also a secondary reason to easily train up my rifle skill.

[Submarine]

The new aiming system is great.

You will hit much more do much more damage in a much shorter time by not aiming at all when using a bow.

[Arek_PL]

[quote=“Kryxx, post:6, topic:10470”]The new aiming system is great.

You will hit much more do much more damage in a much shorter time by not aiming at all when using a bow.[/quote]
aiming is mostly for firearms where every hit counts because ammo is not cheap and it make noise
bow is fast firing weapon with no recoil at all

maybe someone use aiming with crossbow because its slow

[Random_dragon]

I always aim when I can, bow or gun, because delicious critical hits. If you’re doing a nomadic character (which is when I use bows the most), you’re less likely to have hundreds of arrows stashed and thus might want to get the most out of every shot, due to the risk of breakage.

That reminds me, you don’t get any fatigue or other penalty while aiming a bow, do you?

[Valpo]

You get a time penalty

[Random_dragon]

Only because you’re impatientfox. XP

[Valpo]

Whether i am patient enough to wait for an amount of time doesn t change the fact that a certain ammount of time will pass with a certain action.
Time doesn t give a fuck about me ;(

[Random_dragon]

Huehuehue. This actually gives me an idea. Making holding a bow too long cause fatiguq would be a pain in the ass though. You’d need to check for the “reloads when firing” flag PLUS the “strength determines reload speed” flag to determine whether fatigue is generated, then check for the presence of “you must be this strong to get maximum range” flags and compare to character strength.

[Kryxx]

Depends on the bow, and the strength/endurance of the person.

If your going to add fatigue for holding a bow you need it for holding a 7-15lb rifle up to fire.

Anyway whomever decided the weight of arrows needs to check GPI, grains per inch. It’s what the shaft of an arrow is used to calculate weight. Wood arrows averge 8.2-8.5. FYI it’s 7000 grains per 1 lb. Heavier aluminum arrows are 13.2 or so for a 30-32 inch arrow. Lighter ones are 10-11 GPI. The arrow head adds some also. like 100-190 grains. I feel like someone did some quick checking and saw some numbers on a chart and used the numbers for thickness of the shaft. It’s shown like 2516. It’s a 2 part number the first it he overall width of the shaft, and the second number is the thickness of the Cylinder/tube. 1/2 pound arrows wouldn’t fly very far.

[Catfoodbob]

You get a time penalty

the time penalty is inconsiquential unless your in a shootout with a turret in a lab

[Submarine]

I am 99% sure aiming with a bow doesn’t do a thing other then wasting time.

Shot at least 1000+ arrows in version 0c4b5d2 .

[macrosblackd]

Anyway whomever decided the weight of arrows needs to check GPI, grains per inch. It’s what the shaft of an arrow is used to calculate weight. Wood arrows averge 8.2-8.5. FYI it’s 7000 grains per 1 lb. Heavier aluminum arrows are 13.2 or so for a 30-32 inch arrow. Lighter ones are 10-11 GPI. The arrow head adds some also. like 100-190 grains. I feel like someone did some quick checking and saw some numbers on a chart and used the numbers for thickness of the shaft. It’s shown like 2516. It’s a 2 part number the first it he overall width of the shaft, and the second number is the thickness of the Cylinder/tube. 1/2 pound arrows wouldn’t fly very far.

It’s been a while since I did the initial balancing for archery, there was probably some issue with converting from GPI to the weight unit in game and I probably erred on the heavier side.

[xpyder]

If you want to compare weapon and ammo damages I suggest going here: http://cdda-trunk.estilofusion.com/guns/archery
The CDDA Item browser is pretty awesome, and each weapon will show the damage for itself and for all the ammo types it can use.

Keep in mind archery is designed to be progressive. Weaker stuff is easier to make, some of the harder stuff requires higher stats and recipes from books. I think Reflex Recurve is the strongest true bow, with crossbows going into repeating and heavy variants followed by pneumatic bolt driver if you live to endgame (not technically a bow but fires crossbow bolts)

[Logrin]

Style-wise I always favored the repeating crossbow with bursts of bolts cut down from bee stings…

Going BEEZERK

[Quintex]

[quote=“Logrin, post:19, topic:10470”]Style-wise I always favored the repeating crossbow with bursts of bolts cut down from bee stings…

Going BEEZERK[/quote]

Does the repeating crossbow is a middle - late game ? I’m just thinking. Otherwise, how do you find spring for the crafting recipe ? It will be useful for my next character build. I dream about shooting sharpened crossbow bolts into Z’s heads x)

[Logrin]

Springs can be disassembled from a few things, found in crates, hardware and home improvement stores (I think) or more reliably from robots. Crafting is also an option

[Random_dragon]

Seats from cars would be the easiest way.

[kevin.granade]

That reminds me, I saw a documentary featuring the cho-ku-no, and I need to adjust it a little.

1. faster reload speed for the magazine, literally you drop in a stack of arrows.
2. Possibly weaker firing, to keep rate of fire high the pull is very low.
3. No burst, just really fast single fire.
4. Accuracy is terrible since you pull and fire in a single motion, but of course recoil is nonexistent.

[Quintex]

Springs can be disassembled from a few things, found in crates, hardware and home improvement stores (I think) or more reliably from robots. Crafting is also an option

Alright, thanks. I will look for these. I always think bows are too casual for character builds, and too weak in general. My opinion. My log house isn’t too far of a science lab. I will ask robots to give me their stuff.

[Kryxx]

[quote=“Kryxx, post:14, topic:10470”]Anyway whomever decided the weight of arrows needs to check GPI, grains per inch. It’s what the shaft of an arrow is used to calculate weight. Wood arrows averge 8.2-8.5. FYI it’s 7000 grains per 1 lb. Heavier aluminum arrows are 13.2 or so for a 30-32 inch arrow. Lighter ones are 10-11 GPI. The arrow head adds some also. like 100-190 grains. I feel like someone did some quick checking and saw some numbers on a chart and used the numbers for thickness of the shaft. It’s shown like 2516. It’s a 2 part number the first it he overall width of the shaft, and the second number is the thickness of the Cylinder/tube. 1/2 pound arrows wouldn’t fly very far.

It’s been a while since I did the initial balancing for archery, there was probably some issue with converting from GPI to the weight unit in game and I probably erred on the heavier side.[/quote]

It’s okay if they are bit heavier due to the lack of machinery used to create them. Which would technically effect accuracy too. But these seem to be about 3-4x heavier than they should be.

A large amount of arrows would be a volume issue more than a weight issue. Struggling to work around them, and to have them not get in the way.

Also springs, lawnmowers have a some also.