# Archery slow to upgrade?
**URL:** https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102
**Category:** The Garage
**Created:** [August 16, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102 "2014-08-16T01:50:13Z")
**Posts on this page:** 10
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### Author:  [@pingpong](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pingpong)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/1 "2014-08-16T01:50:13Z")
With focus above 75 and fast learner, I’m only getting like 1-2% per archery shot. Most other things go up 5-8% for the same quantity of acts.
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### Author:  [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 2:35am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/2 "2014-08-16T02:35:32Z")
What bow are you using?
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 3:03am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/3 "2014-08-16T03:03:38Z")
Ranged attacks check to make sure you can tell what you’re doing wrong (and therefore correct for it, improving your skill). So as Ninja was getting at, your bow and your arrows will effectively limit your ability to practice archery. Sorry.
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### Author:  [@pingpong](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pingpong)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 3:55am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/4 "2014-08-16T03:55:59Z")
I bring it up because using a self bow (can’t even craft until some survival 1) and wood shafts makes it damn hard to raise archery. Meanwhile chucking rocks is usually up to 3 before I get very far, and my gun goes up 9% on my first shot, and that’s at probably the same focus.
I was using 1910 before, and I never saw fletching nor fletching-ingredient recipes, but I didn’t read archery books.
On the same note, I had marksmanship up at like level 2, so it just seems a bit broken that everything else levels up like 3x faster in comparison. I was hitting nearly every shot, but at like 2-3 damage, maybe 5, at a distance of 2 spaces.
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### Author:  [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 3:57am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/5 "2014-08-16T03:57:39Z")
Becuase bows are awesome! 😃
They are really powerful when you raise it high enough, like to 8 or 9. Maybe balance?
Though I had archery at 20 at one point…
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### Author:  [@pingpong](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pingpong)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/6 "2014-08-16T04:01:16Z")
Back with an integrated toolset, it was common to get mechanics up that high (no skill rust of course).
I’m guessing if skill rust is on for anyone, they will never raise archery, or will do so VERY VERY slowly. (Literally level 0 gains 1-2%! I can’t imagine higher levels…)
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### Author:  [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/7 "2014-08-16T04:05:06Z")
I hate skill rust. I mean, you don’t forget how to build an engine in two days. So, I leave it off. I recommend you do it as well to save yourself the trouble of rage in the future.
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### Author:  [@pingpong](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pingpong)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 4:06am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/8 "2014-08-16T04:06:56Z")
Hrrrm, this may be a problem. Now it IS training properly( +5%@79Focus). My last .exe I had open for a long time, hope it wasn’t a sign of something else. My Marksmanship is now 3, and I’m facing a child instead of a larger zombie.
Edit: Then I get a good hit and it raises 0. I’m confused.
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### Author:  [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 4:12am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/9 "2014-08-16T04:12:07Z")
Oohh, just go with it! Read all the archery books, train hard, don’t die, and maybe you’ll find a Boywers Buddy (A book) or a new bow out there somewhere.
And he kind of bow does matter, if you didn’t glean it from Ka’s post.
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### Author:  [@pingpong](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pingpong)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2014, 5:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/archery-slow-to-upgrade/7102/10 "2014-08-16T05:09:14Z")
Kind of bow affects growth after a certain point afaik, not growth within the range. I’d expect whether a longbow or self-bow, each increment from 0 to 1 would be the same percent