# Any mods that change the pacing for mutagen recipes?

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**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [April 22, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/any-mods-that-change-the-pacing-for-mutagen-recipes/23370 "2020-04-22T20:29:30Z")\
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**Author:** ![eatdembeanz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/eatdembeanz/32/8603_2.png) [@eatdembeanz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/eatdembeanz)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/any-mods-that-change-the-pacing-for-mutagen-recipes/23370/1 "2020-04-22T20:29:30Z")

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I’m just getting back into this game after a lengthy hiatus, and I’m coming across a real nasty case of alt-itis that repeatedly kicks in just when I’m geared up for Lab raids (especially considering the warzones that the recent stable updates made labs into).

See, I really like the mutation system, but the only mutating items you can get before you start breaching Labs are so inefficient that they’re barely worth using. And, unless you’re a real rockstar, you’ll only safely raid those Labs when you’ve already got enough gear and supplies to make most pre-Threshold mutations underwhelming! It really feels to me that, in vanilla, there’s not much reason to settle for the mutagen middle-ground when most characters with access to mutagens can just refine them into serums and start barreling straight past the Threshold.

Is there a mod that makes it so that basic mutagens become available either from auto-learning or from non-Lab-restricted books? I vaguely recall one mod in the past that did just that, but I have no idea if it’s still compatible with the current version.

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**Author:** ![dissociativity](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dissociativity/32/4967_2.png) [@dissociativity](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/dissociativity)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/any-mods-that-change-the-pacing-for-mutagen-recipes/23370/2 "2020-04-23T00:50:25Z")

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PK rebalancing has this as a feature

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**Author:** ![games\_and\_glory](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/games_and_glory/32/9543_2.png) [@games\_and\_glory](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/games_and_glory)\
**Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 5:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/any-mods-that-change-the-pacing-for-mutagen-recipes/23370/3 "2020-08-01T05:40:11Z")

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you MAY find the books for mutagens (or even the mutagens themselves) from the top level of a science lab before you go down any stairs (although you either need a keycard or a way to break walls to get them you will be safe with possible exception of 1 turret (that won’t be an issue if you use keycard here) ) where their is only a 75% chance of 1 turret and their are no other enemies until you go down