# Alternative RetroDays's

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555>\
**Category:** The Lab\
**Created:** [September 30, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555 "2019-09-30T14:24:17Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 10\
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**Author:** ![Zepher79](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zepher79/32/10250_2.png) [@Zepher79](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zepher79)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/21 "2019-10-05T00:12:47Z")

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I am assuming this is probably hardcoded in some way, but going up elevation and having open space ends up looking like this. Quite an unpleasant surprise the first time I climb a downspout!

 ![Bright](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/2X/2/27aa1df1f4927a8125831eea0882386eac1edbea.png)

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**Author:** ![Ragno](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ragno/32/5935_2.png) [@Ragno](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Ragno)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/22 "2019-10-05T03:53:53Z")

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first, how did you manage to climb a downsprout, its related to having the z-levels on?.  
second, air tiles are really a shock to the eyes, from dark to light it can be a surprise.

 ![Screenshot_1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/2X/5/5a2cef7d8467e86711f573eaae922315f9edf129.jpeg)

And as a suggestion, i haven been playing with the tileset, and i think it could use a little more of detail in the future, like each creature having its corpse tile, and maybe the char having different sprites based on the outermost layer of clothes being wear.

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**Author:** ![Zepher79](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zepher79/32/10250_2.png) [@Zepher79](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zepher79)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/23 "2019-10-05T04:10:47Z")

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Rango, you’ll need to have Experimental z-Levels on in the Current World tab of your settings, might need a reset if it’s off. Then stand on a downspout and hit the \< key, you can choose where to climb up to.

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/24 "2019-10-05T13:17:14Z")

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You can also examine a ledge to choose where to climb down, and jump in that menu (if you didn’t know that already).

> i think it could use a little more of detail in the future, like each creature having its corpse tile, and maybe the char having different sprites based on the outermost layer of clothes being wear.

Each creature having a different corpse tile is totally feasible, but that needs someone interested in adding those.  
Different sprites based on the clothes being worn is very hard, and maybe even impossible, depending on how it’s implemented. RetroDays just doesn’t have enough detail for some of that.

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**Author:** ![MutaMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/mutaman/32/7000_2.png) [@MutaMan](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/MutaMan)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/25 "2019-10-05T15:59:47Z")

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I wouldn’t call it hard. The majority of the work will be code-side making the pack put on whatever texture when it needs to, which is what I would call the hard part.

The equipment will be hard to differentiate, I admit, on a small scale such as retrodays if my little test is anything to go by. But depending on your pixel scale you can either have barely recognizable clothing pieces or something people will generally agree on whatever it is.

Below is my little test. At the very bottom is the default pixel scale, 10x10 per sprite. In the middle bottom is 4 times the default pixel scale, 40x40 per sprite. The biggest is 8 times, 80x80 pixels. Admittedly it would look better if I had my own body to work on, but I wanted to use the default sprites as mannequins. Don’t mind the squares in the corners, they were scale helpers. And yes, you do need to zoom way the flip in to see the stuff on the default sprites. For some reason my image editor didn’t want to save at the crisp highest quality it usually does.  
 ![Retrodays%20upscale%20clothing%20test](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/2X/1/10a635228755af4f611ceace266c1d5b641c2c36.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/26 "2019-10-05T18:21:28Z")

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> [@MutaMan](#):
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> The equipment will be hard to differentiate

This is exactly what I mean when I say hard. If you just want to see that the character is wearing something, it’s easy. But if you want to have what they’re wearing in any way distinguishable aside from color, you really can’t. Then there are also things such as backpacks and scabbard and other odd clothing pieces, that you can’t represent at all really either due to the facing of the character or their size.

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**Author:** ![ivy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ivy/32/7232_2.png) [@ivy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ivy)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/27 "2019-10-10T17:39:30Z")

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i can finally post in this thread again now that i’m back from RLC! so i asked around a little, and as far as I know, the color of the sky on higher Z-levels can only be changed in the code. while i support the idea of having a gentler sky color for my retrodays work, there’s approximately a 0% chance that that work could actually get done by me. there’s a reason i’m doing tileset work and nothing else 😄

so i guess if anyone else is capable of doing that work and wants to work with me, get at me, but otherwise i see no way to change the sky color from my own position.

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/28 "2019-10-10T17:57:32Z")

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> as far as I know, the color of the sky on higher Z-levels can only be changed in the code.

It’s just that light blue tile there (index 10, tile #11), unless you’re looking for something else.

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/2X/6/65a648cff853c939da54aca7e553492d10354a8f.png)

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**Author:** ![ivy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ivy/32/7232_2.png) [@ivy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ivy)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/29 "2019-10-10T18:20:18Z")

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oh, _hello_, silly me. well yeah, that’ll be trivial to fix then. i’ll resume work on the tileset as soon as i’m able to

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**Author:** ![Malkeus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/malkeus/32/12037_2.png) [@Malkeus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Malkeus)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alternative-retrodayss/21555/30 "2019-10-10T18:42:58Z")

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I’ve put pictures and links for both of the tilesets that’ve cropped up ITT into the OP, with credits given to you both. Thanks everybody! 🙂

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