# alt-F4 abuse and underbarrel attachments

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657>\
**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [January 18, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657 "2015-01-18T01:37:42Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 11\
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**Author:** ![Major\_Monocle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/major_monocle/32/416_2.png) [@Major\_Monocle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Major_Monocle)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/1 "2015-01-18T01:37:42Z")

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I found two things:

First one’s not a big deal, just something that’s not very accurate, underbarrel attachments for the Mosin Nagant. There’s no way to attach them at all! Just throwing that out there. Mosins don’t have rails, anywhere actually.

Second, if a character dies, it is possible to press alt-F4 and quit. This will put the character at the last save point AND leave the corpse of the dead character, allowing for item farming.

That’s it! Thanks!

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**Author:** ![StopSignal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/stopsignal/32/1923_2.png) [@StopSignal](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/StopSignal)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 1:43am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/2 "2015-01-18T01:43:07Z")

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Well, some people like to play that way, like i used to in my first months. I guess it’s more of a way to learn how to play. Like playing in easy mode. It’s called save-scumming. To be honest now that i don’t i almost never get too far, but oh it’s so much more hard and interesting!

No idea of the attachment thing though!

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 1:47am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/3 "2015-01-18T01:47:57Z")

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We make no effort to stop people from messing with saves, quitting w/o saving, etc. If anything, I’m a little chuffed at StopSignal there because xe called it “easy-mode”. Mock not the folks who keep their saves, thanks.

The attachment problem can be handled easily. Thanks for reporting.

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**Author:** ![StopSignal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/stopsignal/32/1923_2.png) [@StopSignal](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/StopSignal)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/4 "2015-01-18T02:04:42Z")

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Oh, sorry. I was not meaning it in that way! I was saying that is a good way to go learning stuff. I would not know the game at all if i haven’t messed with saves. Though before it did not leave your corpse.  
I apologize.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/5 "2015-01-18T02:16:57Z")

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[quote=“StopSignal, post:4, topic:8657”]Oh, sorry. I was not meaning it in that way! I was saying that is a good way to go learning stuff. I would not know the game at all if i haven’t messed with saves. Though before it did not leave your corpse.  
I apologize.[/quote]

Back when I played regularly, I routinely quit out if things were looking bad. DDA permitting that is a valuable thing for folks who aren’t into Hardcore Roguelike Permadeath Uber1337 sorts of gaming, and I’m fond of keeping us as accessible as possible. (IME losing all my progress isn’t fun, and I play for fun.)

np.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 2:25am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/6 "2015-01-18T02:25:38Z")

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Yea, there are no end of ways to bail out of the game without giving it a chance to save your game, so we decided to just not worry about preventing it at all.

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**Author:** ![Major\_Monocle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/major_monocle/32/416_2.png) [@Major\_Monocle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Major_Monocle)\
**Post date:** [January 19, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/7 "2015-01-19T13:04:35Z")

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> [@Kevin Granade](#):
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> Yea, there are no end of ways to bail out of the game without giving it a chance to save your game, so we decided to just not worry about preventing it at all.

Sure! No problem, really. I just wasn’t sure if it was intended. Thanks for giving me the heads-up!

Also, if you’re interested in expanding stuff for the Mosin-Nagant, they do make stocks that you can drop in the receiver and barrel assembly, and the new stock will have rails, as well as the option for a magazine. So if people still want to have under barrel attachments, that might be the way to go.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [January 19, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/8 "2015-01-19T23:29:08Z")

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> [@Major\_Monocle](#):
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> [quote=“Kevin Granade, post:6, topic:8657”]Yea, there are no end of ways to bail out of the game without giving it a chance to save your game, so we decided to just not worry about preventing it at all.

Sure! No problem, really. I just wasn’t sure if it was intended. Thanks for giving me the heads-up!

Also, if you’re interested in expanding stuff for the Mosin-Nagant, they do make stocks that you can drop in the receiver and barrel assembly, and the new stock will have rails, as well as the option for a magazine. So if people still want to have under barrel attachments, that might be the way to go.[/quote]

OK, so an Eastern Bloc “MN-EBR” much like the M14-EBR?

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**Author:** ![Major\_Monocle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/major_monocle/32/416_2.png) [@Major\_Monocle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Major_Monocle)\
**Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/9 "2015-01-20T00:07:22Z")

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> [@KA101](#):
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> [quote=“Major\_Monocle, post:7, topic:8657”][quote=“Kevin Granade, post:6, topic:8657”]Yea, there are no end of ways to bail out of the game without giving it a chance to save your game, so we decided to just not worry about preventing it at all.

Sure! No problem, really. I just wasn’t sure if it was intended. Thanks for giving me the heads-up!

Also, if you’re interested in expanding stuff for the Mosin-Nagant, they do make stocks that you can drop in the receiver and barrel assembly, and the new stock will have rails, as well as the option for a magazine. So if people still want to have under barrel attachments, that might be the way to go.[/quote]

OK, so an Eastern Bloc “MN-EBR” much like the M14-EBR?[/quote]  
Yup! While Mosins still wont accept silencers (No threads, and you need a special die) you can just drop it in.

Here’s what it looks like: [http://gunmart.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/archangel-mosin-nagant-stock.png](http://gunmart.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/archangel-mosin-nagant-stock.png)

It’s a sexy, sexy gun either way. I really like what you guys have done, thanks a lot!

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**Author:** ![Solusphere](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/solusphere/32/66_2.png) [@Solusphere](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Solusphere)\
**Post date:** [January 20, 2015, 6:59am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/10 "2015-01-20T06:59:38Z")

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> [@KA101](#):
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> We make no effort to stop people from messing with saves, quitting w/o saving, etc. If anything, I’m a little chuffed at StopSignal there because xe called it “easy-mode”. Mock not the folks who keep their saves, thanks.

Um, not entirely on topic, but “chuffed” means extremely pleased. So you’re saying you’re approving of his statement.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 12:26am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/alt-f4-abuse-and-underbarrel-attachments/8657/11 "2015-01-21T00:26:32Z")

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> [@Solusphere](#):
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> [quote=“KA101, post:3, topic:8657”]We make no effort to stop people from messing with saves, quitting w/o saving, etc. If anything, I’m a little chuffed at StopSignal there because xe called it “easy-mode”. Mock not the folks who keep their saves, thanks.

Um, not entirely on topic, but “chuffed” means extremely pleased. So you’re saying you’re approving of his statement.[/quote]

Last I’d heard, it was “annoyed”. Seems to have worked here, though. Good to know.