# Age penalties / old age death?

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [August 22, 2020, 2:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528 "2020-08-22T02:40:55Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 17\
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**Author:** ![Sir\_Scarfalot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/sir_scarfalot/32/9890_2.png) [@Sir\_Scarfalot](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Sir_Scarfalot)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 2:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/1 "2020-08-22T02:40:55Z")

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I just picked up the #10934 experimental, mostly for the nested containers, and as I was making my character I noticed that I now had an ‘age’.

My questions are, is that number purely aesthetic? Does it increase by in-game years? And most importantly, if so, are there penalties associated with aging? Is it a guaranteed death?

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/2 "2020-08-22T02:44:58Z")

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Aging merely determines your metabolic rate, so aging is all upsudes, no downsides right now.

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**Author:** ![Sir\_Scarfalot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/sir_scarfalot/32/9890_2.png) [@Sir\_Scarfalot](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Sir_Scarfalot)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/3 "2020-08-22T02:47:01Z")

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So, wait, higher age means you use less food? Or you heal faster?

…How do either of those make sense lol

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**Author:** ![KorGgenT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/korggent/32/12330_2.png) [@KorGgenT](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KorGgenT)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 3:58am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/4 "2020-08-22T03:58:03Z")

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[https://www.calculator.net/bmr-calculator.html](https://www.calculator.net/bmr-calculator.html)

This is just 1 example of any calorie calculator you can find online. note it has an “age” you can adjust.

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**Author:** ![Valase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/valase/32/6972_2.png) [@Valase](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Valase)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 10:58am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/5 "2020-08-22T10:58:16Z")

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> [@Sir\_Scarfalot](#):
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> So, wait, higher age means you use less food?

Yes. I’ve actually made some calculations in an other topic that lead to an intersting finding (unless that has changed)…:

> [@Best way to store food](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/best-way-to-store-food/23816/36):
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> I don’t see anything stopping you from reaching an age of 65+ at which, with almost no fat reserves and the smallest possible height, you’d never again need to eat, as you will actually gain kcal just from existing and even more from exercising. Just… don’t do anything that modifies your stored calories directly, like digging/mining or cutting wood… or you’ll starve to death.

With “smallest possible height” I mean:

> 145 cm & “tiny” mutation, making you 45 cm small

Other than that I don’t know of any positive/negative associasions for age yet.

> [@Sir\_Scarfalot](#):
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> Does it increase by in-game years?

Yes, it does.

> [@Sir\_Scarfalot](#):
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> Is it a guaranteed death?

I don’t think so, no, but on the other hand… the longer you live, the closer you get to dying.

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**Author:** ![spicyshadow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5e9695/32.png) [@spicyshadow](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/spicyshadow)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/6 "2020-08-22T15:38:08Z")

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> [@Valase](#):
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> I don’t think so, no, but on the other hand… the longer you live, the closer you get to dying.

not as close as that hulk over there.

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**Author:** ![Valase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/valase/32/6972_2.png) [@Valase](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Valase)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 3:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/7 "2020-08-22T15:39:59Z")

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> [@spicyshadow](#):
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> not as close as that hulk […]

Well… depending on some things… maybe equal distance away?

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/8 "2020-08-22T16:03:05Z")

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Speaking of age, happy forum account birthday.

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**Author:** ![Valase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/valase/32/6972_2.png) [@Valase](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Valase)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/9 "2020-08-22T16:40:21Z")

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Wait, who? What? Me? Indeed?! Oh, yeah!

Thank you very much 🥳 ! I didn’t even notice…

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**Author:** ![Litppunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/litppunk/32/409_2.png) [@Litppunk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Litppunk)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/10 "2020-08-22T17:02:09Z")

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Happy ACC birthday.  
May you live longer than the hulk encounter and many more after.

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**Author:** ![Valase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/valase/32/6972_2.png) [@Valase](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Valase)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/11 "2020-08-22T17:29:41Z")

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Thank you very much!  
That’s a… uh… great wish, I guess? Although, given that neither I nor anyone of my characters ever died to a hulk, it for sure is 😃 .

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**Author:** ![TheMasterGear](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themastergear/32/11430_2.png) [@TheMasterGear](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMasterGear)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/12 "2020-08-22T18:38:31Z")

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I feel like dying from old age should be the “winning” condition of the game. Same thing with real life. 😉

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**Author:** ![Valase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/valase/32/6972_2.png) [@Valase](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Valase)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/13 "2020-08-22T18:41:41Z")

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Wouldn’t that condition be “reproduction”?

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**Author:** ![TheMasterGear](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themastergear/32/11430_2.png) [@TheMasterGear](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMasterGear)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/14 "2020-08-22T18:45:46Z")

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Not if your selfish, but other wise yeah your right.

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**Author:** ![Litppunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/litppunk/32/409_2.png) [@Litppunk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Litppunk)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/15 "2020-08-22T19:09:35Z")

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Best win condition for most would probably be ‘reproduction followed by long life helping the future generations do well’

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**Author:** ![Valase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/valase/32/6972_2.png) [@Valase](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Valase)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/16 "2020-08-22T19:13:21Z")

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Well, as with most things, it depends a lot on how you say it:  
“The goal of every species is to survive, usually done through reproduction.” sounds a lot nicer (and less selfish) than “My lifegoal is to get laid.”…

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> [@Litppunk](#):
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> ‘reproduction followed by long life helping the future generations do well’

I’d personally add in a “quality”. Living long isn’t worth much in my opinion if there’s no quality in it.

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**Author:** ![TheMasterGear](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themastergear/32/11430_2.png) [@TheMasterGear](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMasterGear)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/age-penalties-old-age-death/24528/17 "2020-08-22T19:16:21Z")

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True, but if you lived that long in cdda you probable have at least good base to live in.