Advanced Tips for the Accomplished Survivor

Litppunk · 2015-11-04T18:45:11.000Z

If playing with skill rust, make sure to keep some minor thing around to craft that doesn’t take all day/till your next skill starts rusting. Once the important skill are up, you only need to maintain until you can get a memory CBM.

Theundyingcode · 2015-11-04T23:55:19.000Z

I play with IntCap so things like computers and swimming I can read and forget about but I made a daily training training menu that uses all the skills I care about in about 10 in game minutes. (a good chunk of that time is spent in transit since my zombie pen is separated from my base for safety reasons)

Logrin · 2015-11-05T06:18:46.000Z

If playing with skill rust it’s possible to become intelligent enough as to not rust your skills–by way of slime mutations.

deoxy · 2015-11-05T06:56:49.000Z

Logrin:

If playing with skill rust it’s possible to become intelligent enough as to not rust your skills–by way of slime mutations.

What’s the magic number for that?

According to the wiki calculations, it would be 22 or 23 (depending on the way you read it), but that is likely to be out of date…

Theundyingcode · 2015-11-05T07:33:42.000Z

deoxy:

[quote=“Logrin, post:109, topic:9357”]If playing with skill rust it’s possible to become intelligent enough as to not rust your skills–by way of slime mutations.

What’s the magic number for that?

According to the wiki calculations, it would be 22 or 23 (depending on the way you read it), but that is likely to be out of date…[/quote]

per my current drugged reading state int 22 has a skill rust of 1%

Rot · 2015-11-05T07:43:44.000Z

I considered skill rust too annoying to deal with. I’d rather just learn it and think of it as riding a bike. - You never forget how.

Theundyingcode · 2015-11-05T08:03:02.000Z

Rot:

I considered skill rust too annoying to deal with. I’d rather just learn it and think of it as riding a bike. - You never forget how.

I understand the sentiment. The reason I know how to mod is because I wanted to turn skill rust off in DF. The only reason why i’m playing with it on is because I wanted to make this run a little more interesting but even then it’s capped. (also I felt I should play at-least once were I don’t take forgetful with skill rust off)

Rot · 2015-11-05T09:10:30.000Z

I tested a sling and found that it outclassed early ranged weapons like the atlatl and nail guns.
It did about 14-28 damage and both the ammunition and the weapon is super cheap.
The damage still stays despite skill level, strength or perception, etc.
It uses both the marksmanship and throwing skill.

deknegt · 2015-11-05T12:47:53.000Z

[quote=“Rot, post:114, topic:9357”]I tested a sling and found that it outclassed early ranged weapons like the atlatl and nail guns.
It did about 14-28 damage and both the ammunition and the weapon is super cheap.
The damage still stays despite skill level, strength or perception, etc.
It uses both the marksmanship and throwing skill.[/quote]

See i’ve never even thought about using a sling because ‘pebbles, lol’. Proper slingers like the ones from ye olde olde times were super effective at killing grown men by hurling a rock 300 feet into someones skull. But when I think about a sling in the Cataclysm sense I think about something from Dennis the Menace instead of something that could legit kill something.

But if a sling is a proper killing device, then I might start using it as a stealth plinker to deal with nasties you don’t want to fight close up (shockers)

Rot · 2015-11-05T12:57:05.000Z

[quote=“deknegt, post:115, topic:9357”][quote=“Rot, post:114, topic:9357”]I tested a sling and found that it outclassed early ranged weapons like the atlatl and nail guns.
It did about 14-28 damage and both the ammunition and the weapon is super cheap.
The damage still stays despite skill level, strength or perception, etc.
It uses both the marksmanship and throwing skill.[/quote]

See i’ve never even thought about using a sling because ‘pebbles, lol’. Proper slingers like the ones from ye olde olde times were super effective at killing grown men by hurling a rock 300 feet into someones skull. But when I think about a sling in the Cataclysm sense I think about something from Dennis the Menace instead of something that could legit kill something.

But if a sling is a proper killing device, then I might start using it as a stealth plinker to deal with nasties you don’t want to fight close up (shockers)[/quote]

^^^ My exact same reaction to the pebbles - just today I realized how good of a weapon this was after I tried it, now i’m spreading it as a early game or even a weapon for taking out strong zombies at a distance

EDIT - I found out that they aren’t very good with strong zombies at a distance. Stick to weak zeds like regular zombs or bloaters. Hulks, hazmats, etc take no or very little damage. Then again, if you are taking these zombies on you should have better equipment.

Azrad · 2015-11-05T15:37:38.000Z

A good late game weapons is the pneumatic assault rifle. Ammo is easy to craft, and once you use the metal ammo your skill with rifles will shoot up quite fast, even with intcap and forgetful trait. It’s strong enough to kill a hulk… though the weapon has no effect on armored things - like tank bots and shoggoths.

Litppunk · 2015-11-05T16:05:36.000Z

I like to play with skill rust all the way on. Because it makes it feel more like I’ve “reached the next tier” when I progress onwards. Focus of mid-game becomes being able to install memory, and supporting CBMs as progressing to “late game” is “impossible” without it.

Not that I have gotten that far yet

Anyways. Flintlock rifles work well when used like a shotgun apparently. Killed two triffids, and two moose with 2 bullets each. Good for 1 on 1 encounters, but reload will kill you if used for anything more. Someone mentioned the (E)xplored item key on map interface. SOOO gald I read that. Much better than using flashing Notes everywhere to mark buildings looted.

deoxy · 2015-11-05T17:41:01.000Z

[quote=“Litppunk, post:118, topic:9357”]I like to play with skill rust all the way on. Because it makes it feel more like I’ve “reached the next tier” when I progress onwards. Focus of mid-game becomes being able to install memory, and supporting CBMs as progressing to “late game” is “impossible” without it.

Not that I have gotten that far yet

Anyways. Flintlock rifles work well when used like a shotgun apparently. Killed two triffids, and two moose with 2 bullets each. Good for 1 on 1 encounters, but reload will kill you if used for anything more. Someone mentioned the (E)xplored item key on map interface. SOOO gald I read that. Much better than using flashing Notes everywhere to mark buildings looted.[/quote]

I gave up on skill rust when I spent a whole day in combat, killing things like crazy, until I was dead tired and quite hurt, manage to finally escape, find a place to sleep… and by morning, by combat skills are rusting. Um, sure, because we all forget WHAT WE DID YESTERDAY. Done with that.

Random_dragon · 2015-11-05T17:43:33.000Z

Hmm. I suppose one could get rust in your “what I had for breakfast” skill overnight, but yeah. I haven’t bothered with skill rust much at all. Partly because I forget which versions can drain skill experience but not LEVELS.

And back on topic, I’m taking more and more of a liking to reach weapons.

Azrad · 2015-11-05T17:45:49.000Z

[quote=“Random_dragon, post:120, topic:9357”]Hmm. I suppose one could get rust in your “what I had for breakfast” skill overnight, but yeah. I haven’t bothered with skill rust much at all. Partly because I forget which versions can drain skill experience but not LEVELS.

And back on topic, I’m taking more and more of a liking to reach weapons.[/quote]

IntCap’s the one that only drains experience. I kind of like having it since I recall not using any type of skill rust quickly put skills at too high a level where a surviving becomes a bit too easy.

Random_dragon · 2015-11-05T17:48:57.000Z

Ah right, might be interesting to do a game with that. Though sometimes part of the fun for me is eventually becoming a demigod. More often than not, it’s when my immediate area has run out of interesting places to explore, and when my supplies stabilize, that I start getting bored. @_@

deoxy · 2015-11-05T23:40:37.000Z

[quote=“Random_dragon, post:120, topic:9357”]Hmm. I suppose one could get rust in your “what I had for breakfast” skill overnight, but yeah. I haven’t bothered with skill rust much at all. Partly because I forget which versions can drain skill experience but not LEVELS.

And back on topic, I’m taking more and more of a liking to reach weapons.[/quote]

The problem is really that skill rust shouldn’t drain your skill at all - it should be a penalty that goes away fairly quickly as you do things with that skill. That is, I don’t forgot how to do something, I’m just “rusty” - I don’t have to relearn it, I just do it once or twice and go “oh yeah, I remember this”.

Haven’t done it in a few years? Yeah, ok, maybe I actually forgot some stuff… maybe. Or maybe, I just need to perform the activity a few more times to get back at it. A master electrician doesn’t have to spend 5 years apprenticing again because he hasn’t done it in years, he spends a couple of days, maybe a week, brushing up.

Random_dragon · 2015-11-06T00:16:37.000Z

So basically more like temporary negative levels?

deoxy · 2015-11-06T00:28:52.000Z

Random_dragon:

So basically more like temporary negative levels?

Something along those lines, yeah. Relearning something never takes as long as learning it the first time (short of brain damage, where you are literally re-learning it…).

Random_dragon · 2015-11-06T00:34:14.000Z

That would be interesting if we had a skill rust variant like that, yeah.