Actual snipers/Ghillie suits

[Zordelraak]

Difference between AK-47 and M16
AK-47: need dirt in order to be of use, not very good accuracy, high stopping power, quite cheap comparing to other guns, MADE IN MOTHER RUSSIA (USSR), author (Kalashnikov) wasn’t paid (nearly) for creating this weapon, made on base of SKS and AS-44.
M16: need maintance or will be useless, fair accuracy, decent RoF, fair price, MADE IN U.S.A, author was paid for creating this weapon, made on base of AR-10.

[grisamentum]

You want extreme sniping (one kilometer)? 7.62x51mm (.308) would barely do the trick unless you’re an expert marksman and making that more rare than it already is seems silly. .308 is a pretty common civilian round. Introducing .338 Lapua Magnum seems like heavy overkill for a game like this but that’d do.

I had thought about bringing up the topic of that Lapua Magnum .338 round. It doesn’t seem like overkill, since we do get some pretty huge enemies that would warrant it - like hulks and wyrms.

More importantly, the game already has some relatively obscure cartridges, like 10mm Auto, which is not really widely used, or the .22 CB, which is virtually useless. By contrast, the .338 has seen a lot of recent military use, particularly in Afghanistan.

Also, we don’t have a .50 round that I’ve seen (maybe there is one?), so that might be an option as well.

I have run across rail gun rounds before, but never found a rail gun.

[Hyena_Grin]

I had a friend find a rail gun. I imagine you need to find them in science laboratories.

I think you might be able to build them too, with high enough mechanics. Not sure though.

I don’t think the game will ever allow firing one kilometer. If we’re lucky we will be able to fire about two times farther than the current view distance. That’s more like 300 meters (rough guess). For that purpose a 7.62x51mm round is perfectly reasonable. And I’d argue that if you’re shooting at zombies, even at much longer distances, you’re mostly hitting soft targets. It’s not like you need to worry about body armor and the like for the vast majority of zombies.

[Slax]

More importantly, the game already has some relatively obscure cartridges, like 10mm Auto, which is not really widely used, or the .22 CB, which is virtually useless.

10mm is used by various police forces (at least SWAT, I think), .40S&W is becoming a somewhat popular middle ground between 9mm and .45ACP and .22 CB is generally used for varmint hunting. Rats, mice… and in this case, squirrels.
Plus, the game’s set in the future! Who knows, who knows.

[grisamentum]

[quote=“grisamentum, post:36, topic:1020”]More importantly, the game already has some relatively obscure cartridges, like 10mm Auto, which is not really widely used, or the .22 CB, which is virtually useless.

10mm is used by various police forces (at least SWAT, I think), .40S&W is becoming a somewhat popular middle ground between 9mm and .45ACP and .22 CB is generally used for varmint hunting. Rats, mice… and in this case, squirrels.
Plus, the game’s set in the future! Who knows, who knows.[/quote]

Yeah, I think .40 S&W is a far more popular cartridge in the same caliber. The 10mm Auto is just not as widely used.

.22 CB is sometimes used for varmint hunting, sure, but I guess in game terms I would almost always take the bullets apart. If I need to kill a squirrel I can’t imagine wasting lead on it. I’d use a wood arrow or throw a rock or just chase it down with a bat.

[Slax]

.22 CB is alright for target practice. You do get a lot of shooting in before your target goes down.

[Hyena_Grin]

I suppose a .22 rifle is good for killing wolves and rats and cougars who don’t have as much health as zombies. And hunting rabbits and squirrels since other guns (and crossbows) tend to gib their corpses into non-existence. So it’s not a bad wilderness weapon. Though god help you if you run into a bear and all you have is that peashooter.

But yeah, there’s usually so much .22 ammo around that you’re better off just extracting the gunpowder.

[Sheb]

.22 LR is great to kill zombies too, once your skill is high enough. My trusty Marlin39A would have a thousand notch in his stock if I kept track of such things.

[Zordelraak]

Railgun can be found in bunkers and labs, need UPS and slugs (railgun ammo) in order to fire, silent, which makes it quite powerfull weapon. With combination of rail, plasma, FTK/V-29 you become quite a death machine, but only if you have decent skill in rifles and firearms (~ 3-4 is enough to kill nearly every thingle sonn pf a ***** in sight IF you can supply yourself with THAT amount of ammo, besides fusion charges are quite light), but personally I prefer remington 700.
.22 is perfect for increasing your skill in firearms/pistols/rifles, so I use Marlin and Mosquito for target practice, for hunting rabbits and squirrels better use BB gun.

[LazyCat]

[font=georgia]I think itd be cool for actual snipers to be in cataclysm, like the SVD/Dragunov (to fit in with the Kalashnikov series) maybe the DMR etc etc. A long range highpowered rifle, but with a slow reload maybe so people dont just go running around the town with a OP weapon with quick reloading

Maybe something like this?

It’s done, just making sure everything works as it should and it will be in my next Cataclysm: MGS release. It activates automatically with Remington 700, Browning BLR, or if your rifle has sniper conversion. I also plan to make somewhat bigger scope for LAW and RPG-7 rocket launchers. However this is just a graphics, the best part about it you’ll have to try out.

I call it “MOVING TARGETS”. As you move your aim everything else moves too, not just with snipers but any firearm. It makes the whole game much more interesting and tactical, harder too. You can’t just shoot left and right like a cowboy any more, now it takes some planning and thinking to even acquire a target. It also makes recoil and use of burst fire matter more.

There is one additional little feature that goes along with this whole new mechanics, and if you can use it wisely you will see it can overcome most of these new difficulties and balance things out in your favour, but still don’t expect you will be able to go down the street and shoot hundreds of zombies as before. You will get swarmed much quicker, especially with zombies coming from different angles. Ayhow, the new sub-feature is “kneeling shot”. Instead of to move your aim press ‘.’ (pause) to concentrate, take a deep breath and take the kneeling shot, which will double your precision.

Consider this situation for example:

The zombie wants to eat your brains and is moving towards you, what do you do? If you move your aim up to where the zombie currently is he will probably move where your aim currently is, and you will only waste a move while zombie will get closer to your delicious brain. Bad choice. But if you press ‘.’ (pause) you will not only be ready to perform more accurate shot, but the zombie will most likely walk right in front of your aim. Just like in real life, you have to think and plan in advance, you have to account for target motion, predict and compensate accordingly. Naturally then you will see fast targets are much harder to shot now, especially if they stumble a lot or their movement is rather chaotic, like wolfs, rabbits, fast zombies and such.

How does that sound?

P.S.
My thanks to Slax for pointing out this thread and to everyone involved for inspiring me to make what is now my favourite mod in my super-amazing collection of marvellously wonderful mods know as “Cataclysm: MGS”. Meow!

[Slax]

Good to see my idea coming to some use. Looks promising, LazyCat.

[Flare]

You can already clear towns with vanilla bows.

[AerialK7]

you can clear towns with a piece of wood if you had the time and drugs._.

[Flare]

Only slightly longer than using a gun. You don’t have to make detours to gun shops and spend time finding turrets for ammo. You can handle crowds of zombies in broad daylight with good enough archery skill.

[Disarcade]

Only slightly longer than using a gun. You don’t have to make detours to gun shops and spend time finding turrets for ammo. You can handle crowds of zombies in broad daylight with good enough archery skill.

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[LazyCat]

Is anyone interested to try sniper & moving targets mod before the release of my next build? To help me test it, see if there is something to balance and tweak if necessary.

[Slax]

You know it, Lazy. Send me a PM.

[LazyCat]

You know it, Lazy. Send me a PM.

Ok, I’ll upload it in several hours and post the link here. Unfortunately I’m having some problems with the new buildings I imported from the main branch (church/cathedral, fast food/coffee restaurant and doctor/cubicle office), so I’m throwing that out for this “sniper testing” build. But once I resolve that and get your feedback on “moving targets” and sniper mods I’ll release “official” next build with everything, plus some more (surprise).

[Soron]

Unfortunately I’m having some problems with the new buildings I imported from the main branch (church/cathedral, fast food/coffee restaurant and doctor/cubicle office), so I’m throwing that out for this “sniper testing” build.

Well, assuming that you’ve gotten it to compile, it may be an issue with overrunning the allotted space for oter_id (terrain IDs). The overmap system was poorly designed, way back when, so there’s a cap of (256 - 32) terrain IDs - keeping in mind that each different orientation of a building (north, south, east, west) is a separate ID. In the mainline version, we changed how overmaps are saved, in order to allow lots of added buildings.

Unfortunately, it’s several bad design decisions piled on top of each other, and we’ve only fixed one out of at least two design flaws.

[LazyCat]

You know it, Lazy. Send me a PM.

Here it is. Also, try driving a car.

DOWNLOAD (03. May): MGSmod rev.30b

Cataclysm-MGS_rev30.zip

• TESTING: “moving targets” and sniping mod