# A newbie question about the Spider Mutation Tree

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/a-newbie-question-about-the-spider-mutation-tree/11544>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [March 10, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/a-newbie-question-about-the-spider-mutation-tree/11544 "2016-03-10T22:04:05Z")\
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**Author:** ![Misora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Misora](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Misora)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/a-newbie-question-about-the-spider-mutation-tree/11544/1 "2016-03-10T22:04:05Z")

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So, I’ve been playing CataDDA on and off for a couple years now and I’ve always wondered if the venom mutations from the spider ever actually did anything. I’ve waited at least a day after using the venom on a creature and it doesn’t die or suffer extra damage.

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**Author:** ![TheFlame52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/theflame52/32/247_2.png) [@TheFlame52](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheFlame52)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/a-newbie-question-about-the-spider-mutation-tree/11544/2 "2016-03-11T00:39:08Z")

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I don’t know, but I would try using it on an NPC.

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**Author:** ![pisskop](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/pisskop/32/1327_2.png) [@pisskop](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pisskop)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/a-newbie-question-about-the-spider-mutation-tree/11544/3 "2016-03-11T00:40:27Z")

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Im not sure how venom affects NPCs/monsters.

I know its not the same as how it hits the PC. Partially because monsters dont have attribuites proper and NPCs dont give a crap about most things.

That sounds like a coolthulu Question. But Look at fungal infections on monsters.

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**Author:** ![TheFlame52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/theflame52/32/247_2.png) [@TheFlame52](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheFlame52)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/a-newbie-question-about-the-spider-mutation-tree/11544/4 "2016-03-11T01:10:12Z")

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NPCs do respond to pain, which I think is what the venom causes.

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**Author:** ![Misora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Misora](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Misora)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/a-newbie-question-about-the-spider-mutation-tree/11544/5 "2016-03-11T01:13:51Z")

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I know venom causes pain, that definitely explains why some of the npcs lost a stat point or two after I hit them with the strongly venomous fangs.