# \[16303de\] Folding vehicles sometimes crashes the game
**URL:** https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658
**Category:** The Garage
**Created:** [January 18, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658 "2015-01-18T01:38:30Z")
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### Author:  [@AllisonW](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/AllisonW)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/1 "2015-01-18T01:38:30Z")
Experimental version #2650, Windows console version, running on Windows Vista. Exactly what it says on the tin–sometimes the game crashes when trying to fold a foldable vehicle. It’s happened to me more than once. ☹
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 1:51am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/2 "2015-01-18T01:51:36Z")
Any pattern or tips for reproducing the crash?
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### Author:  [@AllisonW](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/AllisonW)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 2:00am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/3 "2015-01-18T02:00:07Z")
> [@KA101](#):
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> Any pattern or tips for reproducing the crash?
I’ll check and see.
UPDATE: I managed to reproduce it. I folded and unfolded it a few times without incident, but then I installed chitin plating (I recall having done this before the crash to test whether I could fold it afterwards), checked the “control vehicle” menu (no, I cannot fold it with chitin plating), and then removed the chitin plating. I then attempted to fold it again, and crash.
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/4 "2015-01-18T02:14:29Z")
> [@AllisonW](#):
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> [quote=“KA101, post:2, topic:8658”]Any pattern or tips for reproducing the crash?
I’ll check and see.
UPDATE: I managed to reproduce it. I folded and unfolded it a few times without incident, but then I installed chitin plating (I recall having done this before the crash to test whether I could fold it afterwards), checked the “control vehicle” menu (no, I cannot fold it with chitin plating), and then removed the chitin plating. I then attempted to fold it again, and crash.[/quote]
OK, “after removing a non-foldable part, it crashes”; that’s a start. Thanks for reporting–greatly simplifies crash-hunts if we know what to do once we’ve attached the debugger. 🙂
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### Author:  [@AllisonW](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/AllisonW)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 2:27am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/5 "2015-01-18T02:27:20Z")
I’m glad I could help! Thank you for everything.
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 3:54am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/6 "2015-01-18T03:54:30Z")
OK, made a cart (no handle: folding frame, basket, and controls) and after trying both a small wheel and chitin armor, it didn’t crash.
Got a save?
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### Author:  [@AllisonW](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/AllisonW)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 3:59am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/7 "2015-01-18T03:59:16Z")
[quote=“KA101, post:6, topic:8658”]OK, made a cart (no handle: folding frame, basket, and controls) and after trying both a small wheel and chitin armor, it didn’t crash.
Got a save?[/quote]
I’ll drive my car back home and play with the folding vehicle some more, make sure I can still replicate, and then pass it along.
I think mine does have a handle, though. It also has a foldable seat; maybe me stacking a foldable seat and a folding shopping cart basket on the same tile is part of the issue. That in itself is probably a bug.
UPDATE: I’m not having luck replicating at the moment, either. It seems like the issue is intermittent at most. But I’ll see about uploading a save anyway.
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### Author:  [@terroroid](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/terroroid)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 4:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/8 "2015-01-18T04:09:55Z")
try installing floodlights and folding, it crashes too…
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 5:04am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/9 "2015-01-18T05:04:58Z")
Floodlight, battery, seat, and handle (though that had to go on a second tile) added. No crash. :-/
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### Author:  [@AllisonW](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/AllisonW)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 5:07am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/10 "2015-01-18T05:07:24Z")
> [@KA101](#):
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> Floodlight, battery, seat, and handle (though that had to go on a second tile) added. No crash. :-/
I have the handle on the first tile. I do that by starting with a frame, then adding a handle on a second tile, then removing the frame, then building on the handle tile.
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2015, 7:59am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/16303de-folding-vehicles-sometimes-crashes-the-game/8658/11 "2015-01-18T07:59:55Z")
> [@AllisonW](#):
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> [quote=“KA101, post:9, topic:8658”]Floodlight, battery, seat, and handle (though that had to go on a second tile) added. No crash. :-/
I have the handle on the first tile. I do that by starting with a frame, then adding a handle on a second tile, then removing the frame, then building on the handle tile.[/quote]
Hmm. Pretty sure it’s not expecting that, but if others are having the problem too that wouldn’t be the only cause.