# 100 "best" weapons

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [August 12, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327 "2015-08-12T22:43:50Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 9\
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**Author:** ![Dlightfull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@Dlightfull](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dlightfull)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/41 "2015-08-20T17:55:53Z")

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[quote=“EditorRUS, post:39, topic:10327”]

> another problem with excess damage is bodies - with enough damage you destroy them with the swing, which is usually good, but not when you gib a zombie scientist (and lose a potential CBM).

  
It’s insanely hard to gib anything but a squirrel. Even if you have the best weapon available (except for Mjolnir) you will not gib zombies. By the time you get able to gib a zombie, you don’t care about CBMs or zombies at all. You are WAAAAAY beyond OP.[/quote]

with a reinforced katana and niten ichy-ryu i gib at least one in 7-8 zombie scientists, with melee 6 and cutting 6.

Yeah, i am OP, but i still want those power CBM’s to drop.

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**Author:** ![EditorRUS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9fc29f/32.png) [@EditorRUS](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/EditorRUS)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 6:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/42 "2015-08-20T18:06:17Z")

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I might be missing something here but I’ve never ever gibbed a zombie in normal conditions even with a lot of skill (40 melee and 15 cutting) and awesome weapon (diamond katana), STR = 15. I do remember though I’ve been literally cutting pieces of zombies back then, but it’s not gibbing. Not the case if I have hydraulics muscles on, though. I feel old. That’s what I’ve been used to have in 0.B.

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**Author:** ![Dlightfull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@Dlightfull](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dlightfull)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/43 "2015-08-20T18:42:07Z")

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> [@EditorRUS](#):
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> I might be missing something here but I’ve never ever gibbed a zombie in normal conditions even with a lot of skill (40 melee and 15 cutting) and awesome weapon (diamond katana), STR = 15. I do remember though I’ve been literally cutting pieces of zombies back then, but it’s not gibbing. Not the case if I have hydraulics muscles on, though. I feel old. That’s what I’ve been used to have in 0.B.

I think Niten Ichy-Ryu is the missing piece of puzzle. It gives bonus damage with perception (which i had 11 or 12) and gibs only happen with a critical of course (about 250-300 damage). I think i had about 18 Str too.

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/44 "2015-08-20T20:02:35Z")

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Niten has both the scaling bonuses from perception (at 12 it’s a total of 24 damage) and flowing water, which doubles damage on non-crit (at the cost of almost-doubling move cost).

Melee doesn’t directly buff damage.  
Strength does, but only bashing and the effect isn’t huge. On average, it’s str/4+(str-9)/2+(str-20)\*1.5 dropping the negative ones. At 16 str, it wouldn’t go above 11, before scaling.

So a flowing water hit by a 12 per character with a katana would be (4+38+12+12)\*2=132 without any strength bonuses and skill scaling.  
With str 16 and a good hit, it would be: (4+11+38+12+12)\*2 = 154

At 7 skill, bashing and cutting both get 20% boost to damage. So 185 damage.

Alternatively, we could get a crit and get a fire+stone cut, for 150% damage, but also a crit boost.  
In this case damage would be (this time separately bashing/cutting):  
Bashing: (4+11+8+12)_1.2_1.5_1.5 = 84  
Cutting: (38+12)1.21.6_1.5 = 144  
Total: 63+96=228

Scientist has 80 hp. Corpse damage is 5\*(overflow/2/maxhp). If overflow\>150 and corpse damage\>5, gib. Overflow is a float and so not lost to fractions.  
A 228 hit has 148 overflow and 4.6 corpse damage. Shouldn’t gib, but if the zed is damaged, it easily can gib.  
A 241 hit would have 161 overflow, 5.03 corpse damage and thus would gib a full hp scientist.

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**Author:** ![EditorRUS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9fc29f/32.png) [@EditorRUS](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/EditorRUS)\
**Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/45 "2015-08-21T02:43:29Z")

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Nice breakdown but still there is totally no point in achieving higher damage output past some point where most enemies are killed after a hit.

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/46 "2015-08-21T02:48:37Z")

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Unless you’re expecting to fight shoggoths, of course.

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**Author:** ![jaked122](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/jaked122/32/473_2.png) [@jaked122](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/jaked122)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 12:52am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/47 "2015-08-22T00:52:17Z")

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Or jabberwoks, or horrors that live in the depths of SPOILERS

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**Author:** ![Random\_dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4da419/32.png) [@Random\_dragon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Random_dragon)\
**Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/48 "2015-08-22T01:16:45Z")

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Drr…drr…?

Tekeli-li sounds better.

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**Author:** ![Kryxx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kryxx/32/438_2.png) [@Kryxx](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Kryxx)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 6:59am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/49 "2015-08-25T06:59:31Z")

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and those giant slug things I ran across… That thing was actually scarier then a Shoggoth. 2 incendiary grenades and constant sniper fire to finally get the SOB dead. Without the fire burning on it, the regen was insane. It didn’t help I only had like a 2 rifle skill as I was trying to go melee, but I wasn’t going to melee it when I saw a HULK melt to it…

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