# 100 "best" weapons

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**Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/1 "2015-08-12T22:43:50Z")

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I wanted to check what are the “best” weapons in the game. Using a script I created a table of useful stats.  
Weapons that have rapid strike get their damage multiplied by 0.66/0.5 and move cost by 0.5. I could have separate entries for rapid strike vs. normal strike, but decided to compare just the raw damage.

Entries are sorted by their damage per 100 moves.  
Damage is sum of bashing+cutting. This isn’t really accurate vs. armor, but I wanted to see axes on the list and going with greater of bash/cut would kill their damage per moves.  
Moves per attack are important for dodging, so I also included them here. Accuracy significantly changes crit chance, so I included it too.

[table]  
[tr][td]Name[/td][td]Damage per 100 moves[/td][td]To-hit bonus[/td][td]Moves per attack[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond katana[/td][td]57.2[/td][td]1[/td][td]57[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond nodachi[/td][td]48.8[/td][td]1[/td][td]89[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]combat chainsaw (on)[/td][td]48.3[/td][td]-4[/td][td]186[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]katana[/td][td]47.8[/td][td]1[/td][td]57[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond wakizashi[/td][td]47.6[/td][td]1[/td][td]51[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond broadsword[/td][td]46.7[/td][td]2[/td][td]111[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond rapier[/td][td]46.4[/td][td]2[/td][td]52[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]monomolecular blade[/td][td]45.8[/td][td]3[/td][td]78[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]circular saw (on)[/td][td]41.3[/td][td]-3[/td][td]126[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]survivor machete[/td][td]41.2[/td][td]2[/td][td]46[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]nodachi[/td][td]40.3[/td][td]1[/td][td]90[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]Rising Sun (off)[/td][td]39.9[/td][td]0[/td][td]69[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]Rising Sun (on)[/td][td]39.9[/td][td]0[/td][td]69[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]wakizashi[/td][td]39.8[/td][td]1[/td][td]51[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]rapier[/td][td]38.7[/td][td]2[/td][td]52[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]broadsword[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]2[/td][td]111[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond zweihänder[/td][td]37.4[/td][td]1[/td][td]168[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]RM42 fighting knife[/td][td]36.2[/td][td]2[/td][td]40[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond machete[/td][td]35.8[/td][td]2[/td][td]89[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond kukri[/td][td]35.5[/td][td]1[/td][td]84[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond knife[/td][td]35.5[/td][td]2[/td][td]40[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]chainsaw (on)[/td][td]34.5[/td][td]-5[/td][td]214[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]electric chainsaw (on)[/td][td]34.5[/td][td]-5[/td][td]214[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]firebrand (off)[/td][td]34.2[/td][td]1[/td][td]125[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]firebrand (on)[/td][td]34.2[/td][td]1[/td][td]125[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]chainsaw lajatang (on)[/td][td]34.1[/td][td]-5[/td][td]422[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]cutlass[/td][td]33.7[/td][td]2[/td][td]100[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]bionic claws[/td][td]32.9[/td][td]4[/td][td]73[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond sword bayonet[/td][td]32.5[/td][td]0[/td][td]86[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]zweihänder[/td][td]32.4[/td][td]1[/td][td]169[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]combat knife[/td][td]32.1[/td][td]1[/td][td]41[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]flammenschwert (aus)[/td][td]30.3[/td][td]0[/td][td]181[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]flammenschwert (an)[/td][td]30.3[/td][td]0[/td][td]181[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]electric carver (on)[/td][td]29.8[/td][td]0[/td][td]107[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]bokken[/td][td]29.6[/td][td]1[/td][td]57[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]machete[/td][td]28.9[/td][td]2[/td][td]89[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond pistol bayonet[/td][td]28.2[/td][td]-4[/td][td]78[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]lobotomizer[/td][td]28.2[/td][td]-3[/td][td]138[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]fire axe[/td][td]28.1[/td][td]1[/td][td]142[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]war hammer[/td][td]28.0[/td][td]1[/td][td]107[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]mace[/td][td]27.7[/td][td]1[/td][td]122[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]morningstar[/td][td]27.3[/td][td]1[/td][td]124[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]diamond bayonet[/td][td]26.7[/td][td]-1[/td][td]82[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]survivor naginata[/td][td]26.5[/td][td]2[/td][td]64[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]grappling hook[/td][td]26.5[/td][td]-2[/td][td]44[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]kukri[/td][td]26.0[/td][td]1[/td][td]84[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]tanto[/td][td]26.0[/td][td]2[/td][td]43[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]hedge trimmer (on)[/td][td]25.6[/td][td]-1[/td][td]172[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]battle axe[/td][td]24.9[/td][td]1[/td][td]168[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]throwing axe[/td][td]24.4[/td][td]0[/td][td]90[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]trench knife[/td][td]24.1[/td][td]-1[/td][td]83[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]steel spear[/td][td]24.0[/td][td]1[/td][td]108[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]wood axe[/td][td]23.8[/td][td]1[/td][td]142[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]kris[/td][td]22.9[/td][td]1[/td][td]43[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]iron javelin[/td][td]22.7[/td][td]2[/td][td]97[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]homewrecker[/td][td]22.2[/td][td]-3[/td][td]135[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]ironshod quarterstaff[/td][td]22.0[/td][td]3[/td][td]74[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]switchblade[/td][td]22.0[/td][td]-2[/td][td]72[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]No. 9 (off)[/td][td]21.8[/td][td]1[/td][td]119[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]No. 9 (on)[/td][td]21.8[/td][td]1[/td][td]119[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]barbed wire bat[/td][td]21.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]120[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]nail bat[/td][td]21.4[/td][td]3[/td][td]112[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]hunting knife[/td][td]21.2[/td][td]-1[/td][td]75[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]powered quarterstaff[/td][td]21.1[/td][td]3[/td][td]78[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]sharpened rebar[/td][td]21.1[/td][td]0[/td][td]104[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]lawn dart[/td][td]21.1[/td][td]-1[/td][td]75[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]pitchfork[/td][td]21.0[/td][td]1[/td][td]109[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]survival knife[/td][td]20.8[/td][td]0[/td][td]91[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]hatchet[/td][td]20.4[/td][td]1[/td][td]88[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]forked spear[/td][td]19.7[/td][td]1[/td][td]116[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]entrenching tool[/td][td]19.7[/td][td]1[/td][td]91[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]sword bayonet[/td][td]19.5[/td][td]0[/td][td]92[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]aluminum bat[/td][td]18.9[/td][td]3[/td][td]105[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]circular sawblade[/td][td]18.7[/td][td]-4[/td][td]74[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]quarterstaff[/td][td]18.4[/td][td]3[/td][td]68[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]sledge hammer[/td][td]18.4[/td][td]0[/td][td]195[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]makeshift glaive[/td][td]18.2[/td][td]2[/td][td]143[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]wooden spear[/td][td]18.0[/td][td]1[/td][td]99[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]makeshift macuahuitl[/td][td]18.0[/td][td]1[/td][td]116[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]throwing knife[/td][td]17.7[/td][td]0[/td][td]73[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]wooden javelin[/td][td]17.6[/td][td]2[/td][td]91[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]knife spear[/td][td]17.6[/td][td]1[/td][td]113[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]dive knife[/td][td]17.5[/td][td]-1[/td][td]68[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]razorbar katar[/td][td]17.4[/td][td]2[/td][td]92[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]crude sword[/td][td]17.3[/td][td]-1[/td][td]115[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]Halligan bar[/td][td]17.2[/td][td]2[/td][td]145[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]makeshift machete[/td][td]17.0[/td][td]1[/td][td]105[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]baseball bat[/td][td]17.0[/td][td]3[/td][td]111[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]crowbar[/td][td]16.8[/td][td]2[/td][td]89[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]war scythe[/td][td]16.7[/td][td]1[/td][td]167[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]punch dagger[/td][td]16.7[/td][td]4[/td][td]71[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]forged sword[/td][td]16.6[/td][td]2[/td][td]108[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]sickle[/td][td]16.5[/td][td]-6[/td][td]108[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]burnt out Louisville Slaughterer[/td][td]16.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]115[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]wooden tonfa[/td][td]16.4[/td][td]2[/td][td]56[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]tactical tonfa (off)[/td][td]16.3[/td][td]2[/td][td]56[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]tactical tonfa (on)[/td][td]16.3[/td][td]2[/td][td]56[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]golf club[/td][td]16.3[/td][td]1[/td][td]86[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]blade[/td][td]16.2[/td][td]-2[/td][td]86[/td][/tr]  
[tr][td]inactive manhack[/td][td]16.2[/td][td]-3[/td][td]74[/td][/tr]  
[/table]

I skipped Mjolnir because it’s a debug item. Didn’t include mods.

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**Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/2 "2015-08-12T23:02:08Z")

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Interesting to see this, thank you.

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**Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/3 "2015-08-12T23:11:37Z")

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Weapons are for plebs, the truly best weapon is one’s own fists!

Now do the same thing but for every item in the game.

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**Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/4 "2015-08-12T23:21:08Z")

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Another useful ratio is damage per 1 move, which I’ve found helpful for recalculating the Medieval mod weapon stats (get a desired ratio, multiply by moves per attack, get desired total damage).

Also, what’s the base damage for fists anyway? O.o

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**Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/5 "2015-08-12T23:32:45Z")

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[quote=“Random\_dragon, post:4, topic:10327”]Another useful ratio is damage per 1 move, which I’ve found helpful for recalculating the Medieval mod weapon stats (get a desired ratio, multiply by moves per attack, get desired total damage).

Also, what’s the base damage for fists anyway? O.o[/quote]  
I wanna know the attack speed of fists.

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**Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/6 "2015-08-12T23:34:30Z")

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I would assume it’s 100, which seems to be considered the norm.

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Survivor machete coming in just under the wire at #10! Compared to everything else it’s definitely one of the best in terms of effectiveness vs. acquirability.

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**Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 11:47pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/8 "2015-08-12T23:47:32Z")

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The sheer utility of reach attacks is also an overlooked benefit. Forked spear FTW.

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**Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/9 "2015-08-12T23:54:58Z")

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> [@Random\_dragon](#):
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> I would assume it’s 100, which seems to be considered the norm.

Nope, I think it’s somewhere in the mid-60s, since attacking with brass knuckles (70 moves per attack) is slightly slower than with fists.

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**Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/100-best-weapons/10327/10 "2015-08-13T00:00:49Z")

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Ah right, it would make sense to do that so that the related weapons are slower.

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I love how Rising Sun (off) is ranked higher than Rising Sun (on), even if it’s just for alphabetical reasons. 🙂

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> [@Rhodri](#):
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> I wanna know the attack speed of fists.

Attack cost formula is 65 + 4 \* volume + weight / 60  
Fists have 0 volume and weight, so 65.

Their damage is strength/2, but it scales differently with skills than other weapons (flatly rather than by percentage). Their main advantage is their accuracy combined with speed, which makes them amazing for disabling and defense.

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Ah right, should’ve guessed that it would make 65 the effective minimum. Accuracy, though? What’s the effective to-hit for fisting enemies anyway? XP

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> [@Random\_dragon](#):
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> Ah right, should’ve guessed that it would make 65 the effective minimum. Accuracy, though? What’s the effective to-hit for fisting enemies anyway? XP

Accuracy is skill/2. It was significantly higher before (could reach like +15 or so at lvl 10), but I lowered it a lot in relatively recent combat rebalance.  
It stacks with to\_hit bonus for purposes of accuracy, but not crits.

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Ah, I see. Seems to use a lot of raw “divide X by 2” it seems.

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actually besides dps, I would consider the special effect of the weapons as well, like quick, precise, parry.  
I usually use faster weapon and play hit and run instead of using a sledgehammer.

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I’d love to see a lolworthy build using an anvil as the main weapon.

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Quick strike, reach attack, or both are delicious.

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I found the 11th best weapon (Nodachi) in my first 3 days, I’m happy.

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I always try to get my hand on a katana (and then make a diamond one) as soon as i can (which usually comes at the same time when i get niten ichy-ryu).

Looks like i was making the right decision :).

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