# 0.A Stable: Extended magazine with no description

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964>\
**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [August 1, 2014, 11:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964 "2014-08-01T11:09:03Z")\
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**Author:** ![Paquito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d9b06d/32.png) [@Paquito](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paquito)\
**Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 11:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964/1 "2014-08-01T11:09:03Z")

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In 0.A stable I found an Extended magazine with no description. When I attached it to my handgun, all the descriptions of my gun’s mods also disappeared.

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964/2 "2014-08-01T15:15:20Z")

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> [@Paquito](#):
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> In 0.A stable

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**Author:** ![Paquito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d9b06d/32.png) [@Paquito](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paquito)\
**Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964/3 "2014-08-01T22:30:12Z")

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FunsizeNinja thinks he’s making a point.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964/4 "2014-08-01T23:27:03Z")

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> [@Paquito](#):
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> FunsizeNinja thinks he’s making a point.

Ninja may be terser than one might like, but there is a point: this far (1,000+ builds) past stable, we generally aren’t interested in bug reports from it. Too many code-changes in the interval, may already have been fixed, etc.

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**Author:** ![Paquito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d9b06d/32.png) [@Paquito](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paquito)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2014, 11:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964/5 "2014-08-06T11:17:59Z")

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> [@KA101](#):
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> Ninja may be terser than one might like, but there is a point: this far (1,000+ builds) past stable, we generally aren’t interested in bug reports from it. Too many code-changes in the interval, may already have been fixed, etc.

You guys aren’t keeping a log of bug-fixes that you can search through?

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [August 6, 2014, 4:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964/6 "2014-08-06T16:42:43Z")

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> [@Paquito](#):
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> [quote=“KA101, post:4, topic:6964”]Ninja may be terser than one might like, but there is a point: this far (1,000+ builds) past stable, we generally aren’t interested in bug reports from it. Too many code-changes in the interval, may already have been fixed, etc.

You guys aren’t keeping a log of bug-fixes that you can search through?[/quote]  
Yes, but what do you expect us to do with it? Try and look up every 0.A bug report in it?  
This is standard for most projects, if you report a bug in a version that’s months old, the automatic resp once is going to be, ‘please reproduce in a recent version’

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**Author:** ![Paquito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d9b06d/32.png) [@Paquito](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paquito)\
**Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 10:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964/7 "2014-08-07T10:23:22Z")

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[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:6, topic:6964”]Yes, but what do you expect us to do with it? Try and look up every 0.A bug report in it?  
This is standard for most projects, if you report a bug in a version that’s months old, the automatic resp once is going to be, ‘please reproduce in a recent version’[/quote]

The point is you should be able to do that, or try to reproduce it in a recent version. And if no one has time, oh well. It just strikes me as ridiculous to discourage reports from the latest stable version of the game, since this is the version that you’re trying to improve upon for the next release (as opposed to a 1000 build old experimental whose bugs could have been introduced and removed in subsequent builds). How could more information possibly hurt anything?

If anything, running through a list of reported 0.A bugs seems like it would be a sensible thing to do when you have a release candidate ready for the next stable build.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2014, 6:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-stable-extended-magazine-with-no-description/6964/8 "2014-08-08T06:49:44Z")

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> [@Paquito](#):
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> [quote=“Kevin Granade, post:6, topic:6964”]Yes, but what do you expect us to do with it? Try and look up every 0.A bug report in it?

The point is you should be able to do that, or try to reproduce it in a recent version.[/quote]  
I don’t know if you realize this, but in aggregate that means a huge amount of effort. You can search the bug tracker to see if something matches, and you can try it on the latest experimental, these things are considered basic due diligence, because you know the bug the best, since you found it.

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> And if no one has time, oh well. It just strikes me as ridiculous to discourage reports from the latest stable version of the game,

Feel free to report them, but if you report errors from a months-old version of the game and refuse to try and reproduce them on a recent version, they’re probably going to be dropped because chances are they’ve been fixed, and that means the expected payoff for checking them is nil. We’re just explaining how the process works. The expectation with a bug report is that it’s causing you a problem now, and with releases, the ONLY fix there is is moving to a newer version of the game, so we suggest you try that first, there is no value to a bug report for a problem that has already been fixed.

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> since this is the version that you’re trying to improve upon for the next release

This doesn’t make sense, we’re not even looking at 0.A at this point, it was just a snapshot in time from months ago, what we’re improving on today is the game as it is today.

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> How could more information possibly hurt anything?

It’s not information if it’s an issue that has been fixed, it’s noise, and that is a problem.

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> If anything, running through a list of reported 0.A bugs seems like it would be a sensible thing to do when you have a release candidate ready for the next stable build.

Do you have any idea how many bug reports you’re talking about? It’s many hundreds if not thousands, it’s not sensible at all.  
What you generally do in this case is have a set of features you test, and you test those. Sometimes when you have automated testing set up, you write tests while you’re in the process of fixing a bug, and you leave the test lying around to catch it just in case it crops up later, but generally even with automated testing, you test that things work, not for the absence of particular bugs.