# \[0.9 Stable\] Sewer rats exceedingly hard to hit in melee

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089>\
**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [November 18, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089 "2013-11-18T23:42:40Z")\
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**Author:** ![nickasummers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b4bc9f/32.png) [@nickasummers](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/nickasummers)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089/1 "2013-11-18T23:42:40Z")

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On several characters across two different windows 7 machines I have found myself unable to hit sewer rats with melee weapons (used both machete and crowbar), regardless of melee skills. As soon as I pull out a gun its easy - I killed one in a single shot with 1 marksman and 0 handguns with a SW 619. On one character I actually spent several game hours swinging and missing, training my dodge skill from 4 to 10 without dealing a single point of damage to the rat.

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 11:54pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089/2 "2013-11-18T23:54:18Z")

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You think rats are easy to hit IRL?

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**Author:** ![Luissen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/luissen/32/1025_2.png) [@Luissen](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Luissen)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089/3 "2013-11-19T00:10:37Z")

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> [@FunsizeNinja123](#):
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> You think rats are easy to hit IRL?

I think that was an intended feature.

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 12:11am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089/4 "2013-11-19T00:11:36Z")

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Yeah, rats are hard to hit IRL.

And Lussian, don’t quote my post and try to answer the guy’s question. It makes it seem that you’re talking to me.

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**Author:** ![Luissen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/luissen/32/1025_2.png) [@Luissen](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Luissen)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 12:21am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089/5 "2013-11-19T00:21:11Z")

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maybe I am.

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**Author:** ![vache](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ea666f/32.png) [@vache](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vache)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089/6 "2013-11-19T00:22:32Z")

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It seems a little excessive to me as well. I’ve sat there and basically watched my legs get gnawed off while unable to hit the stupid thing. I think in real life, it would not be that hard to hit if it were trying to gnaw on my leg.

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**Author:** ![nickasummers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b4bc9f/32.png) [@nickasummers](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/nickasummers)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089/7 "2013-11-19T00:35:03Z")

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I feel like I could scare off or kill a rat if it were harassing me for 3 straight hours IRL. I also feel like if I can’t hit it after 3 hours I probably shouldn’t be able to hit it with a gun after reading a copy of “Guns and Ammo” and thinking “alright I should maybe try firing this thing”

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**Author:** ![Luissen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/luissen/32/1025_2.png) [@Luissen](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Luissen)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089/8 "2013-11-19T00:38:40Z")

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have they removed rat’s glaring vulnerability to anything thrown?

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**Author:** ![EkarusRyndren](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ekarusryndren/32/80_2.png) [@EkarusRyndren](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/EkarusRyndren)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-9-stable-sewer-rats-exceedingly-hard-to-hit-in-melee/4089/9 "2013-11-19T00:39:58Z")

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> [@Luissen](#):
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> have they removed rat’s glaring vulnerability to anything thrown?

Considering I killed a cave full of them with dead rats I doubt it.

Unless there’s some immunity to the immunity by using their dead to throw at them.