# Game Talk

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## [A question about Proficiency gain](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/a-question-about-proficiency-gain/25915)

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**Author:** [@JENTHULHU](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/JENTHULHU)\
**Replies:** 4\
**Last updated:** [February 14, 2021, 12:50pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/a-question-about-proficiency-gain/25915 "2021-02-14T12:50:05Z")

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So, I understand the base rules for how Proficiencies work, but I’m curious about the value/gain in proficiency progress. Is it only time taken? Does skill requirement come into it? Do the materials involved count? W…

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## [Items, Inventory Management QoL changes (+other things)](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/items-inventory-management-qol-changes-other-things/25905)

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**Author:** [@AcidAntOnAMinefield](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/AcidAntOnAMinefield)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [February 14, 2021, 9:36am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/items-inventory-management-qol-changes-other-things/25905 "2021-02-14T09:36:04Z")

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Hello everyone! I have a few suggestions for some things that I believe could change, but that I don’t believe really require someone to open a github ticket/PR unless it’s actually necessary. If any of this doesn’t ma…

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## [Which book has the highest Intelligence requirement?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/which-book-has-the-highest-intelligence-requirement/25880)

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**Author:** [@One\_Angry\_Scot](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/One_Angry_Scot)\
**Replies:** 18\
**Last updated:** [February 13, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/which-book-has-the-highest-intelligence-requirement/25880 "2021-02-13T18:14:43Z")

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Hi everyone. Quite a new player. Whenever I’ve been making characters I’ve always been maxing intelligence purely because I wasn’t sure if I’d find a book that needed say 13 intelligence. But doing this of course makes …

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## [Did heat get more punishing for some reaosn?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/did-heat-get-more-punishing-for-some-reaosn/25850)

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**Author:** [@Invalid\_Username](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Invalid_Username)\
**Replies:** 23\
**Last updated:** [February 13, 2021, 5:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/did-heat-get-more-punishing-for-some-reaosn/25850 "2021-02-13T05:22:37Z")

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For reference, I’m in midsummer right now, the average temperature after noon is approximately 90 degrees F, and it’s somehow hot enough to cause damage and hallucinations while I’m wearing nothing much but a yukata. Is …

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## [Spotted goose--safe mode is on!](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/spotted-goose-safe-mode-is-on/25840)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 15\
**Last updated:** [February 12, 2021, 10:20am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/spotted-goose-safe-mode-is-on/25840 "2021-02-12T10:20:05Z")

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Seriously? I should be afraid of goose?

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## [Error wrong ammo type in belt](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/error-wrong-ammo-type-in-belt/25888)

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**Author:** [@Arnaud\_Chevallier](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Arnaud_Chevallier)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [February 12, 2021, 8:00am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/error-wrong-ammo-type-in-belt/25888 "2021-02-12T08:00:02Z")

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Silly game tried to put 40x46mm grenades in a 40mm grenade belt DEBUG : Tried to set invalid ammo of 40x46mm\_m433 for belt40mm FUNCTION : item& item::ammo\_set(const itype\_id&, int) FILE : src/item.cpp LINE …

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## [Interesting bug found (0.E-2 stable)](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/interesting-bug-found-0-e-2-stable/25898)

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**Author:** [@Wayland](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Wayland)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [February 11, 2021, 7:07am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/interesting-bug-found-0-e-2-stable/25898 "2021-02-11T07:07:00Z")

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Basically I was switching between saves across worlds, one with “dark days of the dead” on (call it “classic”) and the one without (call it “default”). I was playing “default” and killed some zeds without smashing them,…

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## [Vehicle workbench cannot be used to speed up butchery](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-workbench-cannot-be-used-to-speed-up-butchery/25887)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [February 10, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-workbench-cannot-be-used-to-speed-up-butchery/25887 "2021-02-10T19:34:45Z")

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At first I thought it was due to its size limitation, with zombie corpse’s size (63L) being over workbench capacity (30L), but I adjusted the latter to 200L in data/json/vehicleparts/vehicle\_parts.json and it did not hel…

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## [Infinite loop NPC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/infinite-loop-npc/25891)

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**Author:** [@Belcanzor](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Belcanzor)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [February 10, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/infinite-loop-npc/25891 "2021-02-10T10:24:03Z")

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NPC goes to infinite loop if I sell or give them sealed condiment bottles. After Intercom NPC is forced put asleep by game now that is awake as few items to sell and teleport near me to kill me. After teleport the inter…

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## [MXS DEAD PEOPLE Blue backlight for character?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mxs-dead-people-blue-backlight-for-character/25894)

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**Author:** [@bolverkr](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/bolverkr)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [February 10, 2021, 8:30am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mxs-dead-people-blue-backlight-for-character/25894 "2021-02-10T08:30:12Z")

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I’ve just downloaded and switched to the DEAD PEOPLE tileset, and for some reason my character has a strange blue portal-looking sprite highlighting him, and I’m not even lit up. I love the tileset otherwise, but its bug…

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## [Is there any way to smash concrete floors?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-smash-concrete-floors/7876)

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**Author:** [@Closet\_Pankin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Closet_Pankin)\
**Replies:** 19\
**Last updated:** [February 8, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-smash-concrete-floors/7876 "2021-02-08T23:20:30Z")

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I’ve found a nice spot for a base in a power substation, with a river not too far away and a town on the other side. Everything is perfect, assuming that zombies can’t break down the fence - which I am, again, assuming t…

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## [NPC are unable to use stepladders](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npc-are-unable-to-use-stepladders/25883)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [February 8, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npc-are-unable-to-use-stepladders/25883 "2021-02-08T14:40:53Z")

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I mean, seriously? They should be able to, they should be able to even climb downspouts or what are they if they are not too demoralised.

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## [NPC Blueprint "Remove grass" makes them dig deep pits where there is no grass (e.g on moss)](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npc-blueprint-remove-grass-makes-them-dig-deep-pits-where-there-is-no-grass-e-g-on-moss/25886)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [February 8, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/npc-blueprint-remove-grass-makes-them-dig-deep-pits-where-there-is-no-grass-e-g-on-moss/25886 "2021-02-08T12:08:59Z")

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Any ideas how to remedy this? Making hundreds of small areas that only cover the tiles with grass would not be feasible.

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## [Peach tree yield is too low?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/peach-tree-yield-is-too-low/25873)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 15\
**Last updated:** [February 7, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/peach-tree-yield-is-too-low/25873 "2021-02-07T22:07:38Z")

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One of those trees yielded 1 L of peaches (4), while websites seem to say that a single peach tree yields 1-6 “bushels” (= 35 to 210 litres) of fruit. Why are yields so low in cataclysm? Artificial scarcity?

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## [Hickory tree gives infinite nuts](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hickory-tree-gives-infinite-nuts/14222)

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**Author:** [@Dreamer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dreamer)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [February 7, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/hickory-tree-gives-infinite-nuts/14222 "2021-02-07T18:06:53Z")

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Version: 0.C-23878 Dunno, if it is bug or intended, but you can pick up nuts from a single hickory tree as many times as you want and it doesn’t require game time. Which in turn gives infinite food. I belive it’s broken…

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## [Rigger / Dronemancer in 2021/Feb](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rigger-dronemancer-in-2021-feb/25882)

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**Author:** [@Clek](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Clek)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [February 7, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rigger-dronemancer-in-2021-feb/25882 "2021-02-07T15:25:30Z")

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Hey, returning player here; Since it’s hard too keep track of all the additions when you’re gone for about a year, I’m asking the hive mind: Say I want to make a Shadowrun-esque Rigger or just someone who uses drones a…

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## [Enjoyability of food and in general (git 00efc6d7fe)](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enjoyability-of-food-and-in-general-git-00efc6d7fe/25871)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 8\
**Last updated:** [February 7, 2021, 1:37pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/enjoyability-of-food-and-in-general-git-00efc6d7fe/25871 "2021-02-07T13:37:22Z")

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I look into the crafting guide, and see that smoked fish/meat have +6/5 joy, respectively. However, in the \[E\]at menu, they are both shown as having 0 joy. Heating them up also results in 0 joy food. What is going on? …

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## [Suggestion: Enemy Armor Degradation](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/suggestion-enemy-armor-degradation/25878)

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**Author:** [@PossiblyLogrin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/PossiblyLogrin)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [February 7, 2021, 3:35am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/suggestion-enemy-armor-degradation/25878 "2021-02-07T03:35:22Z")

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Just a thought as it occurs to me. But as enemies can damage your armor (and with it its overall protection) should the inverse not also be true? Could not certain weapons or types of mutated anatomy apply a stacking deb…

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## [Fun fact: any foldable frame with cloth roof + stepladder = on demand elevated viewpoint](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/fun-fact-any-foldable-frame-with-cloth-roof-stepladder-on-demand-elevated-viewpoint/25881)

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**Author:** [@Tamior](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamior)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [February 7, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/fun-fact-any-foldable-frame-with-cloth-roof-stepladder-on-demand-elevated-viewpoint/25881 "2021-02-07T01:46:29Z")

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And that not only allows you to scout a huge chunk of the overmap from your elevated position, but also see pass the trees (and similar objects) in the local map.

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## [Problem of the Shoddy Laser Rifle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/problem-of-the-shoddy-laser-rifle/25858)

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**Author:** [@Gang\_Wolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Gang_Wolf)\
**Replies:** 17\
**Last updated:** [February 6, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/problem-of-the-shoddy-laser-rifle/25858 "2021-02-06T20:11:55Z")

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Hello Everyone, I’m facing a big problem for making Shoddy Laser Rifle. I got all materials but the ‘Laser optics’. I had searched in Lab, electronic shop, Gun shop, etc but still could not get one. Bros, How and where …

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## [Tac dump pouch doesn't accept small bottles and other items](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tac-dump-pouch-doesnt-accept-small-bottles-and-other-items/24983)

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**Author:** [@GiggleGrassGatherer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GiggleGrassGatherer)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [February 6, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tac-dump-pouch-doesnt-accept-small-bottles-and-other-items/24983 "2021-02-06T17:55:59Z")

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This is a small bottle with length 6cm and effectively no weight This is a single pocket of my tac dump pouch Note how it both allows items up to 20cm length and have more than enough weight allowance. It is also …

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## [I tried to start a vehicle construction using butter, but it was too slipery to ride in](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-tried-to-start-a-vehicle-construction-using-butter-but-it-was-too-slipery-to-ride-in/25876)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [February 6, 2021, 1:22pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/i-tried-to-start-a-vehicle-construction-using-butter-but-it-was-too-slipery-to-ride-in/25876 "2021-02-06T13:22:44Z")

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DEBUG : item butter used by construction is not base item of any vehicle part! FUNCTION : vpart\_id vpart\_from\_item(const itype\_id&) FILE : src/construction.cpp LINE : 1254 /s (I told a NPC to start vehicl…

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## [Cannot chop down harvested willow trees with chainsaw? (git 00efc6d7fe)](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/cannot-chop-down-harvested-willow-trees-with-chainsaw-git-00efc6d7fe/25867)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 9\
**Last updated:** [February 6, 2021, 8:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/cannot-chop-down-harvested-willow-trees-with-chainsaw-git-00efc6d7fe/25867 "2021-02-06T08:40:47Z")

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“There is no tree trunk to chop nearby” … For some reason it requires 12 battery charges to do so. I had only 7.

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## [Need Broken Cyborg tips](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/need-broken-cyborg-tips/25716)

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**Author:** [@Wayland](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Wayland)\
**Replies:** 8\
**Last updated:** [February 6, 2021, 4:24am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/need-broken-cyborg-tips/25716 "2021-02-06T04:24:18Z")

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I’m running the broken cyborg start and I feel that this start has potential. Situation: Found a safe autodoc (it was in my starting basement - had to flee the other broken cyborg temporarily but I managed to escape th…

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## [Crafting heavy items](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/crafting-heavy-items/21304)

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**Author:** [@Paul\_Blay](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paul_Blay)\
**Replies:** 23\
**Last updated:** [February 5, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/crafting-heavy-items/21304 "2021-02-05T11:43:02Z")

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Do you have to pick up ‘in progress’ crafting to work on it? I’m having trouble putting together my tank drone with it held on my lap. I also get a message that it is “to(sic.) heavy” to work on well.

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## [Deconstructing rooftoop cooling units does not yield condensor/evaporator coils](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/deconstructing-rooftoop-cooling-units-does-not-yield-condensor-evaporator-coils/25868)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [February 5, 2021, 7:34am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/deconstructing-rooftoop-cooling-units-does-not-yield-condensor-evaporator-coils/25868 "2021-02-05T07:34:13Z")

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Was this intentional?

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## [Healthcare skill will not progress under any circumstance](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822)

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**Author:** [@buddySmiles](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/buddySmiles)\
**Replies:** 14\
**Last updated:** [February 5, 2021, 4:11am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/healthcare-skill-will-not-progress-under-any-circumstance/25822 "2021-02-05T04:11:06Z")

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No mods or anything. I noticed it was stuck at 0%, proceeded to read Big Book of First Aid, and I noticed that it did this I tried debugging a skillpoint into it to see if that would work, no dice. Any help would be a…

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## [Food rotting when removed from fridge](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/food-rotting-when-removed-from-fridge/23519)

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**Author:** [@Grimm\_Spector](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Grimm_Spector)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [February 4, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/food-rotting-when-removed-from-fridge/23519 "2021-02-04T22:35:57Z")

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I’m having an issue where sometimes food that’s in a fridge, marked as cold, and says it has something around a day before going bad, rots literally instantly when I take it out of the fridge. Either on the tick I take i…

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## [How to reload Integrated Toolset CBM?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-to-reload-integrated-toolset-cbm/22066)

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**Author:** [@Maciej\_Franciszek](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Maciej_Franciszek)\
**Replies:** 13\
**Last updated:** [February 4, 2021, 1:34pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/how-to-reload-integrated-toolset-cbm/22066 "2021-02-04T13:34:26Z")

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Hello! The question is in the topic. I installed this CBM and it shows 0/1000 charges with no option to reload. Thank you in advance for any constructive replies! Cheers, M

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## [Faulty gas engine still drains power when hybrid vehicle is running on electric power (git 00efc6d7fe)](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/faulty-gas-engine-still-drains-power-when-hybrid-vehicle-is-running-on-electric-power-git-00efc6d7fe/25865)

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**Author:** [@ThinkSome](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ThinkSome)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [February 4, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/faulty-gas-engine-still-drains-power-when-hybrid-vehicle-is-running-on-electric-power-git-00efc6d7fe/25865 "2021-02-04T12:14:30Z")

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\-150W. I am unable to turn the faulty engine off, it is just permanently on.

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