# Game Talk

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## [1a03b48 Strange horde](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/1a03b48-strange-horde/5826)

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**Author:** [@HunterAlpha1](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/HunterAlpha1)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [April 13, 2014, 6:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/1a03b48-strange-horde/5826 "2014-04-13T06:40:47Z")

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So there’s this horde which seems to have spawned after I blasted my new military transport truck out of the Hazardous Waste SuckoffaGus, but when I scroll over it there’s no “+” at the center, and it doesn’t display the…

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## [Cigarette vending machines and cig types](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/cigarette-vending-machines-and-cig-types/5817)

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**Author:** [@Slax](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Slax)\
**Replies:** 4\
**Last updated:** [April 12, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/cigarette-vending-machines-and-cig-types/5817 "2014-04-12T15:52:44Z")

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Insert cash card, get your fix. Seems to belong in a world like this. So, let’s make up some brands and types. Lancino’s - Menthol, regulars, long and lights. For the light smoker who enjoys the taste more than the “buz…

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## [Mushroom Receipes](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mushroom-receipes/5818)

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**Author:** [@Sep](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Sep)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [April 12, 2014, 3:18am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mushroom-receipes/5818 "2014-04-12T03:18:22Z")

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Just wondering if someone might have cooked up some mushroom receipes…

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## [Old cataclysm .. Current version : negatives in View Scentmap](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/old-cataclysm-current-version-negatives-in-view-scentmap/5803)

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**Author:** [@EditorRUS](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/EditorRUS)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [April 12, 2014, 12:34am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/old-cataclysm-current-version-negatives-in-view-scentmap/5803 "2014-04-12T00:34:32Z")

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3 years have passed since that bug appeared. -1 causes crashing. less numbers will cause very strange results.

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## [0.A-1300 win: the amazing fireproof flammable thread](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-1300-win-the-amazing-fireproof-flammable-thread/5774)

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**Author:** [@Aluminumfoil](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Aluminumfoil)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-1300-win-the-amazing-fireproof-flammable-thread/5774 "2014-04-11T23:08:25Z")

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Thread can be burned, but does not burn. It just gives you a small fire for 40 minutes or so. The thread is not consumed in the fire. Works for stacks and single items. Works in woodstoves and on open squares. (You …

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## [Improved Farming](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/improved-farming/5759)

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**Author:** [@Patto](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Patto)\
**Replies:** 15\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 12:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/improved-farming/5759 "2014-04-11T12:06:58Z")

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If I am correct in thinking that you need to be near the plants for them to grow, can I suggest the following. Currently the tiles used for farming are part of the terrain. I think a work around would be: Creating a c…

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## [Early game water boiling](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/early-game-water-boiling/5762)

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**Author:** [@Duncan](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Duncan)\
**Replies:** 33\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 10:36am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/early-game-water-boiling/5762 "2014-04-11T10:36:58Z")

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The stone pot is stupid. You can’t make a water boiling utensil out of three rocks. NO I understand that the game is unfairly hard if you can’t boil water early on, but that is no excuse for silliness. The following su…

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## [Game Over: Screenshot thread](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/game-over-screenshot-thread/344)

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**Author:** [@elricsfate](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/elricsfate)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 10:34am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/game-over-screenshot-thread/344 "2014-04-11T10:34:33Z")

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Greetings everyone! This thread is for everyone to share screenshots of their Game Over/Death screens. Feel free to give a back story. Include a screenshot of both your death screen and of your kill screen. My most rece…

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## [Saprovore and carnivore?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/saprovore-and-carnivore/5743)

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**Author:** [@Blackopsman9999](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Blackopsman9999)\
**Replies:** 10\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 10:32am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/saprovore-and-carnivore/5743 "2014-04-11T10:32:36Z")

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Can I eat fruit for less nutrition, or is saprovore only for meat now?

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## [Moving Funiture](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/moving-funiture/5804)

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**Author:** [@DungeonMaster](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DungeonMaster)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 7:01am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/moving-funiture/5804 "2014-04-11T07:01:01Z")

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I used to play this back in 0.7 and back then I would move furniture around but I can’t seem to do that anymore. Does anyone know what the command is or if it has just been removed? Thanks for the help!

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## [Map view horde toggle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/map-view-horde-toggle/5790)

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**Author:** [@Slax](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Slax)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 5:58am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/map-view-horde-toggle/5790 "2014-04-11T05:58:51Z")

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Being able to spot enemies is nice and all but the con of having more blinky stuff slow down scrolling even more makes it a hassle. I wanna be able to turn it off.

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## [Can zombie hordes be thinned/eradicated?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/can-zombie-hordes-be-thinned-eradicated/5798)

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**Author:** [@Xelanthol](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Xelanthol)\
**Replies:** 9\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 5:27am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/can-zombie-hordes-be-thinned-eradicated/5798 "2014-04-11T05:27:38Z")

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Playing the latest build, 1320, and ran into a horde. Dear god those are nasty, also the new bloated zombies that spew toxic gas everywhere are a pain in the ass (the good kind). So I was wondering, do hordes have a set …

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## [Character Start](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/character-start/5783)

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**Author:** [@nathiral](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/nathiral)\
**Replies:** 10\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/character-start/5783 "2014-04-11T03:21:46Z")

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Been playing C:DDA for some time and had some thoughts on the character creation - didn’t want to necro it, but here’s a previous thread: http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=3313.30 . I have differing ideas than…

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## [Some suggestions for hordes](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/some-suggestions-for-hordes/5807)

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**Author:** [@HunterAlpha1](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/HunterAlpha1)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 1:08am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/some-suggestions-for-hordes/5807 "2014-04-11T01:08:29Z")

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So I’ve been playing with hordes enabled and I have a few suggestions: If you haven’t already, place a hard limit on how many can exist at any given time. This ought to help with lag. Add a max to how many zombies are…

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## [Melee System Overhaul More in depth attacks](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/melee-system-overhaul-more-in-depth-attacks/5775)

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**Author:** [@Creamy\_Goodness](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Creamy_Goodness)\
**Replies:** 17\
**Last updated:** [April 11, 2014, 12:43am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/melee-system-overhaul-more-in-depth-attacks/5775 "2014-04-11T00:43:51Z")

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So as we all know melee currently is pretty to the point, just press the direction to attack that creature. I believe melee could be improved by implementing a system of Being able to choose what part of the zombie you w…

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## [Acid rain versus vehicle roofs](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/acid-rain-versus-vehicle-roofs/5805)

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**Author:** [@Slax](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Slax)\
**Replies:** 3\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/acid-rain-versus-vehicle-roofs/5805 "2014-04-10T22:41:29Z")

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The roofs, they do nothing! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! IT BUUUUUURNS!

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## [E38d33d scrolling around in the overhear map is extremely laggy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/e38d33d-scrolling-around-in-the-overhear-map-is-extremely-laggy/5794)

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**Author:** [@HunterAlpha1](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/HunterAlpha1)\
**Replies:** 8\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/e38d33d-scrolling-around-in-the-overhear-map-is-extremely-laggy/5794 "2014-04-10T21:24:45Z")

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When I hit “m” to go to the overhear map and scroll around it is excruciatingly slow because of lag. I’m using the windows graphical version with Windows 8 on an HP laptop.

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## [0.A-1323 win: chain lighting on certain targets causes crash/freeze](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-1323-win-chain-lighting-on-certain-targets-causes-crash-freeze/5799)

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**Author:** [@Aluminumfoil](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Aluminumfoil)\
**Replies:** 2\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-1323-win-chain-lighting-on-certain-targets-causes-crash-freeze/5799 "2014-04-10T20:00:20Z")

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Crash to Desktop on using Chain Lightning active cbm power on vine-lings (sorry, don’t know the exact name) in Triffid Groves. Permanently frozen game on using Chain Lighting on turrets in a military bunker. These bot…

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## [Future warfare! (weapon suggestions)](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/future-warfare-weapon-suggestions/5791)

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**Author:** [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\
**Replies:** 14\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/future-warfare-weapon-suggestions/5791 "2014-04-10T18:13:19Z")

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I suddenly noticed that most of our Sci-Fi weapons are pretty much re-skins of each other when it comes to functionality (AKA the fusion guns, plasma rifles, charge weapons which all explode and set fire while using dif…

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## [CBM: Water Extraction Unit bug?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/cbm-water-extraction-unit-bug/5784)

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**Author:** [@terroroid](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/terroroid)\
**Replies:** 4\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/cbm-water-extraction-unit-bug/5784 "2014-04-10T17:26:57Z")

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When us use the installed CBM: Water Extraction Unit at a corpse, u can draw out infinite water. Also fill up any container that u use. A black rat corpse can fill up a jerrycan. Build: 1312 Unlimited water!

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## [Removing barricades from outside](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/removing-barricades-from-outside/5771)

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**Author:** [@Birdie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Birdie)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 5:12pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/removing-barricades-from-outside/5771 "2014-04-10T17:12:32Z")

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I removed a barricade’s nails from outside with a hammer. This seems silly.

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## [0.A Saves are being corrupted](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-saves-are-being-corrupted/5789)

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**Author:** [@IssLance](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/IssLance)\
**Replies:** 6\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-a-saves-are-being-corrupted/5789 "2014-04-10T17:02:35Z")

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So sometimes when I save and quit and try to load up my previous game I just can’t. I get no notification, program just shuts itself and I can’t load up my save anymore. It made me copy my save folder every time I save …

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## [Bio soldiers](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719)

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**Author:** [@Nick7532](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Nick7532)\
**Replies:** 10\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 9:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bio-soldiers/5719 "2014-04-10T09:23:37Z")

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Bio Operators were a fun first encounter… Went about my first day as usual, targeting gun shops and clothing stores. Night falls and I head for a millitary outpost for keycards and all of a sudden a bio operator comes ru…

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## [MOVED: Vehicle Won't Move - Help?](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/moved-vehicle-wont-move-help/5795)

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**Author:** [@GlyphGryph](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GlyphGryph)\
**Replies:** 0\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 4:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/moved-vehicle-wont-move-help/5795 "2014-04-10T04:10:29Z")

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This topic has been moved to The Garage - Bug Reports and Technical Help. \[iurl\]http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=6089.0\[/iurl\]

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## [Trains and Train Tracks](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/trains-and-train-tracks/5785)

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**Author:** [@Hibou](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Hibou)\
**Replies:** 4\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 1:25am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/trains-and-train-tracks/5785 "2014-04-10T01:25:03Z")

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I’m fairly certain this has already been discussed, but here goes. So, in pre-Cataclysm New England, there was a need for moving goods around. The main grunt of the work may have been taken by trailer-less semi trucks, …

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## [Firearms Expansion](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/firearms-expansion/5118)

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**Author:** [@Rivet](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rivet)\
**Replies:** 8\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 12:26am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/firearms-expansion/5118 "2014-04-10T00:26:43Z")

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Isn’t it odd how firearms never really malfunction or show any wear and tear? Or how all bullets are equal when it comes to quality and manufacturing? Or how the self-taught player character can turn out perfect quality …

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## [Foodco Kitchen Buddy's Water Purifier bug? 0.A Stable](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/foodco-kitchen-buddys-water-purifier-bug-0-a-stable/5760)

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**Author:** [@Omnicast](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Omnicast)\
**Replies:** 5\
**Last updated:** [April 10, 2014, 12:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/foodco-kitchen-buddys-water-purifier-bug-0-a-stable/5760 "2014-04-10T00:10:21Z")

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Version 0.A Stable So earlier I tried to purify 126-128 unit’s of water in a metal tank, but I was informed that I couldn’t do so because the amount to be purified exceeded the water purifier’s battery capacity, but the…

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## [Vehicle control menu and arrow key selection](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-control-menu-and-arrow-key-selection/5788)

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**Author:** [@Slax](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Slax)\
**Replies:** 1\
**Last updated:** [April 9, 2014, 8:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-control-menu-and-arrow-key-selection/5788 "2014-04-09T20:42:39Z")

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You can scroll the menu with arrow keys but hitting right to select something just closes the menu. Seems wonky.

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## [Wild life searches the town for YOUR food](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wild-life-searches-the-town-for-your-food/5786)

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**Author:** [@Creamy\_Goodness](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Creamy_Goodness)\
**Replies:** 7\
**Last updated:** [April 9, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wild-life-searches-the-town-for-your-food/5786 "2014-04-09T16:29:05Z")

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I believe the game has some form of kill smaller creatures circle of life thing already going for it, But What I mean is what if Dogs/Bears would act as they normally would in real life. Anyone who knows anything about …

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## [External vs Internal vehicle tile tags - fixin holes in walls](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/external-vs-internal-vehicle-tile-tags-fixin-holes-in-walls/5732)

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**Author:** [@Cat09](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Cat09)\
**Replies:** 14\
**Last updated:** [April 9, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/external-vs-internal-vehicle-tile-tags-fixin-holes-in-walls/5732 "2014-04-09T16:00:09Z")

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currently you need 2 tile wide walls to prevent interlopers into your vehicle, because of how the vehicle turning system works. For a relatively simple fix, prevent movement and attack into an \[internal\] tile without fir…

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